Late to the party, as always. I have lots of comments and thought the ep was fantastic. There's just one thing that, right now, ruins it for me. I feel very cheated and hope one of you will be able to give me an explanation, so that I can enjoy the story and performances without this nagging voice in my head repeating "This doesn't make sense." The thing that House couldn't remember, the key to why he thought someone was going to die, was actually the flu pills Amber was taking. The only reason why those were a death sentence, was the kidney damage she had suffered in the crash. But at the time of the crash House couldn't have known about that. He saw a bleeding head wound and nose and a piece of metal through her thigh and her getting shocky, before he lost consciousness himself. And yet he wakes up convinced there's someone who will die. Why? I'm certain there's just a flaw in my logic because it's the middle of the night here. Please, someone, put me at ease!

Thanks for the try bailey. I'm not convinced yet. :wink: (I just need to get over it, I guess). I saw something very interesting when I hit pause on a view of Amber's hospital bracelet. Cuddy said to Wilson that House was Amber's attending, but the bracelet reads "Dr Foreman". And in House-world we are apparently still stuck in 2007. The "ADM" (which I'm assuming is the admission date) is 03-12-07. Do hospitals use the DD-MM-YY way of writing? I thought Americans preffered MM-DD-YY (which has never made sense to me, but things are the way they are. :wink:). Everybody seemed like they weren't dressed for December weather though. Could be that, because the plug was pulled last minute on shooting for the episode before the strike, the props department had already prepared some stuff and later didn't change the date? ETA: and if anyone is interested in time line... House's watch reads 2:36 when they are riding in the ambulance. .. which I just realized does not mean anything, since some time later he makes a comment about not being able to do more drugs till lunch. So it was like just the time of day they were shooting. I know... what a powerful episode and I'm talking about watches and bracelets... :roll:

Thanks for the try bailey. I'm not convinced yet. (I just need to get over it, I guess). Remember also that one of House's specialties is nephrology, so he's going to pick up on kidney damage before your average drunk genius on a bus.

poor Amber sneezes, no one blesses her, and then the poor thing dies. :lol: . My dad used to be a minister and he would pray at people's sickbeds and he told me that the only time he prayed for comfort instead of healing the guy died. SO MUCH WORD TO Lagniappe. You said everything I've been trying to say and you said it so much better. The second time was worse. Much, much worse. Oh yeah, it only gets worse. But his expression did seem more critical to me than concerned, It's really hard to read. While I don't think his reasons for being there were entirely selfless (nor entirely sadistic) I think his expressions changes. Before House wakes up, Wilson does look angry to me but once House opens his eyes, he just seems so sad and filled with regret. But that's just what I see. I do think he loves House but Amber hasn't hurt him the way that House has. Maybe he feels safer with Amber because she's not constantly pushing him away, or being self-destructive (very ironic that she died if you think about it that way) and she's concerned with his needs (and not in a vague, behind-you-back way that House is). She's everything that he loves about House but she can also be there for him in a way that House just can't. I don't think this lessens his love for House (maybe House does love him more but I'm not going to make a contest out of that) because if she was totally enough for him than he would have dropped House the minute he fell in love with her. He was clearly asking out of desperation (I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt to be second best to your first best) and yes, in that moment he did choose Amber (but the risks were so different that it's just not that cut and dry to me) but she was going to die, and he was doing everything he could to prevent that. It reminds me of an X-files quote that I can't remember word for word but it was something like, "I need to know that I did everything humanly possible to save my son." If Wilson didn't try this and she died, he would always wonder and probably regret it and the guy (House too, for that matter) has enough "what ifs?" to deal with right now.

He was clearly asking out of desperation (I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt to be second best to your first best) and yes, in that moment he did choose Amber (but the risks were so different that it's just not that cut and dry to me) but she was going to die, and he was doing everything he could to prevent that. It reminds me of an X-files quote that I can't remember word for word but it was something like, "I need to know that I did everything humanly possible to save my son." If Wilson didn't try this and she died, he would always wonder and probably regret it and the guy (House too, for that matter) has enough "what ifs?" to deal with right now. The part that this leaves out of the equation for me is that it was not only possible House would die from it, it was probable--even House the risk taker backed away from doing the procedure given that it was so inherently dangerous and he'd had a heart attack that morning. Wilson was doing everything he could to prevent Amber from dying and I'm not dumping on Wilson for doing so. But one of the things he was trying was putting House's life at serious risk, and House did make sure Wilson understood that before saying yes. House's risk wasn't an intangible that Wilson couldn't be expected to process. He processed it and wanted House to take it anyway. I think Wilson will have to deal with that next season. He lost Amber and he very nearly lost House, too. Would he really have no regrets if he had, because he pulled out all the stops for Amber? Where does House fall on his spectrum of relationships?

to21b, I can't see how House could have known in those seconds after the crash that Amber's kidneys were destroyed. My take is that Wilson was partially correct in HH that House had wires crossed + (more likely) his subconscious was screwing up the message to his conscious mind that Amber was on the bus. MHO is that his brain was trying to tell him Amber's in danger and that she has the flu, not that she had antiviral poisoning. YMMV. Was anyone else as horrified as I was when Cuddy told Wilson to wake Amber up? I'm sure she was thinking of what was best for him, and maybe it would be what Amber would want to, but damn - would YOU want to be woken up just to be told you're dying? I can't decide.

Was anyone else as horrified as I was when Cuddy told Wilson to wake Amber up? I'm sure she was thinking of what was best for him, and maybe it would be what Amber would want to, but damn - would YOU want to be woken up just to be told you're dying? I can't decide. Yes, this was brought up earlier. I, personally, would not want to be woken up only to be told I was about to die. I can't imagine that terror and it's not even as if there was any real time to come to terms with it. This wasn't months, weeks, or days, this was hours to live. I think Wilson will have to deal with that next season. He lost Amber and he very nearly lost House, too. I think he will have to deal with that next season too. I think it will get to him, once the initial shock is over, what he asked House to do will fully sink in and he'll feel guilt. Would he really have no regrets if he had, because he pulled out all the stops for Amber? I didn't mean that Wilson would not regret it if House died. I don't know if he'd be able to live with himself if he caused that. He was in a hard position, either he does everything to save Amber and risks losing House or he keeps protecting House and loses Amber. Right or wrong, he made a choice and I do think it will have a big affect on him and his relationship with House next season.

The thing that House couldn't remember, the key to why he thought someone was going to die, was actually the flu pills Amber was taking. The only reason why those were a death sentence, was the kidney damage she had suffered in the crash. But at the time of the crash House couldn't have known about that. He saw a bleeding head wound and nose and a piece of metal through her thigh and her getting shocky, before he lost consciousness himself. And yet he wakes up convinced there's someone who will die. Why? I assume House, as a nephrologist, guessed that her kidneys were traumatized by the way she was hit in the crash. And/or the shock she suffered, which someone on another board said can affect the kidneys. As for why House didn't call a cab: remember in "Honeymoon," he was getting drunk over Mark and Stacy and called Wilson away from his then-wife Julie. I think a small part of House - or a large part - has that urge to know that Wilson will drop everything for him. Especially if he's down, such as when Stacy came back into his life, or when he's worried about Amber's presence in Wilson's life. And I don't think House would obviously be above just calling Wilson because he knew it would ruin his dinner plans with Amber or whatever, just to mess with him. It was just a decision like he's made probably many times before, and it wasn't even the wrong one, it just had such tragic circumstances this time. To me what is more interesting than whether Wilson will forgive House is whether House will forgive himself. And I don't think he will, ever.

I assume House, as a nephrologist, guessed that her kidneys were traumatized by the way she was hit in the crash. And/or the shock she suffered, which someone on another board said can affect the kidneys. Also, someone on Polite Dissent pointed out that she took two pills, and you're only supposed to take one. So it's an overdose. He probably guessed that the crash injured her kidneys, which would have been the fatal symptom. It wasn't until he remembered the pills that he got the complete picture in his head.

whether House will forgive himself. And I don't think he will, ever. ITA, and it's depressing. I think even once Wilson forgives him (because I have no doubt that, eventually, he will, it's not even clear if he's blaming him at the moment) House will still carry around that guilt for the rest of his life. It's not his fault, he could not have foreseen any of this but I think it will stay with him forever.

1 questions, The blood test that 13 ran was to determine if she carried the markers that would cause Huntington's corret? If that is the case why is everyone acting like she just found out she had the disease. House's seizure plus brain injury has to have some neurological aftereffects. Wouldn't it be interesting if it affected his speech or memory in Season Five? Fan Wank on my part but there HAS to be some effects from all that damage. Then again this is a guy who has had a heart attack three heart failures, 2 gunshot wounds and a muscle infarc...he may be bionic

The part that this leaves out of the equation for me is that it was not only possible House would die from it, it was probable--even House the risk taker backed away from doing the procedure given that it was so inherently dangerous and he'd had a heart attack that morning. House didn't back away from it because it was dangerous. In "House's Head" he was perfectly willing to almost die for the answer and to take that risk. He didn't do it then because he thought he already had an answer (the rash) but Wilson thought there might be something else, something more to remember. As it turns out, Wilson was right: House didn't have the answer yet, the answer was the flu medicine, it's just that it didn't matter.

I haven't read this whole thread, but did anyone else hear House very softly say "inside voices" when Cuddy and Wilson are yelling at each other about what to do? He's clearly in pain from his injury but he's been in constant pain for so long and people forget: just that very soft, unheard injunction brought me to tears... It also recalled "Distractions" when he had the migraine and Wilson was making noise to make it hurt worse: and the shot of him in HH when he was in the cafeteria late at night making notes was an echo of the shot from "Distractions" when he first gets the migraine. Hope this doesn't mean he'll have constant pain from both his head and his leg... There were a couple other lines I totally missed the first time through. So soft and restrained, he briefly touches the gentleness that's always underneath the ferocity...