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Poeia- 05-20-2008

Or they are friends with a couple. And that couple owns 2 or more dogs. But they only had dinner with one member of the couple.

Bedawyn- 05-20-2008

The bus represented death, but the airplane represented life, so no, I don't think House reversed his choice there. And he called the apartment because Wilson's cell has been on his speed-dial for so long that he doesn't even remember the number, which he'd have had to manually dial while drunk on the bar phone (since his phone with the speed dial is dead). Amber's apartment number is fresher in his memory. :-) Re: the "champagne" at the bar, I'm guessing it was just another way of showing Amber without showing Amber (the color of the wine).

travin1- 05-20-2008

Just rewatching it now...another part I really like (HL wow)...the very beginning, House looks at Wilson in concern, not so much for Amber but in concern for his friend (at the other hospital). And he's trying to take care of his friend in the ambulance too...keeping Wilson from completely losing it. Also loved the line about getting less rest when I'm asleep. I don't see the airplane as representing death, but representing what's known, what we do day to day without questioning it. It's our set path, however screwed up it might be, whatever path it might be...it's what's easy. Getting off the plane is like getting off the bus in that it's not the easy choice. It's a conscious choice for change.

filex1410- 05-20-2008

Or they are friends with a couple. And that couple owns 2 or more dogs. But they only had dinner with one member of the couple. There was no problem with the number of dogs walked just the number of people with which they dined. :) Your explanation is a long way to go to make sense out of a grammatically incorrect sentence or line reading when the change of a word or two would have made it correct & clear. ETA, crossed posted from the Media Thread: Just received next week's TV Guide. (5/26 -6/1 Lost Finale Preview on the cover) They have an article, Our Dream Emmy ballot and shockingly neither RSL or HL are listed as preferred nominees: Best Actor, Drama: Kyle Chandler, FNL Bryan Cranston, Breaking Bad Matthew Fox, Lost Michael C. Hall, Dexter Jon Hamm, Mad Men Best Supporting Actor, Drama: Ted Danson, Damages Matthew Rhys, B&S John Slattery, Mad Men Donald Sutherland, Dirty Sexy Money Michael K. Williams, The Wire Hmm..I watch none of this so I don't know But I believe Hamm won the GG & SAG last and I thought DS won something too, SAG maybe. Ballots go out the week of June 2nd, nominees to be announced July 17

travin1- 05-20-2008

During the surgery scene...who does House say he's calling? "Donna Wilson"? Huh?

filex1410- 05-20-2008

That was brought up over at LJ last night carrie, House said, Dial-a-Wilson, telling Wilson that he was calling him for the ride, but he got Amber instead.

travin1- 05-20-2008

Thanks filex. What's this LJ? I know what it is technically, but is there a chat or something? Guess I missed it.

Namaste- 05-20-2008

A question from way back: Namaste wrote: And guilt. Don't forget guilt. House can't forgive himself for failing to be happy for his parents. I'm not sure what you're talking about here -- failing to be happy for his parents? I was referring here to Wilson's comment to Cameron in "Daddy's Boy" that House feels he's a disappointment to his parents because he's miserable. As to Wilson's cause for anger: I think it'll be passing -- and obviously irrational since it wasn't really House's fault -- but I also expect it to land on Wilson's hot button issue when it comes to House, namely House's self-destructive approach to both drugs and alcohol. Now obviously in the past, Wilson has dealt with it as House's self destruction. But now House's self-destruction led, through a series of incidents, to someone else's death. Collateral damage. And finally ... how interesting to see very clearly here that "Mirror Mirror" was right. Wilson is in control of their friendship. House did absolutely everything that Wilson asked him to do, without question.

filex1410- 05-20-2008

Thanks filex. What's this LJ? I know what it is technically, but is there a chat or something? Guess I missed it. Live Journal. The specific site is a H/W shipper site (of course you know me right. :wink:) called Grabbing his Cane. It's mostly fan fic but there are spoiler and episode discussions too. Slash glasses firmly on for them and things can get overwrought, don't quote me on that :lol: , but I find it mostly a fun, free for all. main link: http://community.livejournal.com/house_wilson W's H thread from last night/today, http://community.livejournal.com/house_wilson/2394596.html?page=1#comments There are other House sites as well on LJ

houserocket7- 05-20-2008

And maybe Wilson will feel a little angry with House, because he tends to blame House for things anyway (Tritter arc, anyone?). Deservedly, I think, in the Tritter arc, IMHO

aithlyn- 05-20-2008

The fact that Wilson, the only person who House cares deeply about asked him to risk his life for someone who would have potentially taken Wilson away from House has got to have hurt House very deeply. He's not going to show that hurt on the surface but that doesn't mean that he isn't hurt pretty badly nontheless. Wilson effectively told him by asking that question that he matters less to Wilson than Amber. I don't see it this way. If anything, I think it was Wilson's way of calling in past debts, reluctantly. House practically took Wilson's career away from him during the Tritter arc -- no matter how much Wilson loved Amber, she was only a part of his life for a short time, not something he had been working more than half his life on. In the past, House has been self-destructive to escape his own pain. Wilson was asking House to be self-destructive in order for Wilson to escape pain. It was like Wilson saying "You do this shit anyway, and you owe me." Wilson leaving as soon as House came out of the coma was not out of character or unexpected for Wilson -- it reminded me of the infamous scene in Merry Little Christmas.

travin1- 05-20-2008

Thanks filex. I have an lj account for my fanfics but haven't really ventured out in the communities...I think I will :-) aithlyn...I don't see it that way, nor do I really see it as misanthropicobs put it either. I see it simply as a friend asking for a favor and a friend obliging. Wilson would do the same for House. Yes, it's an overwhelmingly HUGE favor to ask but these two men are best buds and they trust each other. They need to be there for each other and I think we'll see that somehow next season when they come together over whatever may happen...I imagine it'll start off with the two of them in a rift, or not speaking and something will happen that will remind them of why they need each other.

Namaste- 05-20-2008

Diane Kristine brought up something interesting in her review of the last two episodes of the season that I thought was interesting. Namely that in "Wilson's Heart," we've obviously got Amber and Wilson having to face her death, Thirteen facing her Huntington's death -- but also this is the moment that House has to face his own misery and self-destruction. We've had four seasons of watching House's balancing act between expressing misery with his actions and denying it with his words. The episode prior to the finale, "Living The Dream," dwelled on the theme of misery in general without much resolution. That theme is picked up with a vengeance in "House's Head"/"Wilson's Heart." It's Thirteen who's the catalyst for bringing it out in the open. House calls her on her identification with the dying young doctor, and chastises her for ignoring the issue of her possible Huntington's Disease. "You are the champion of not dealing with your problems," she rightly counters. We've had Wilson tell House that he's miserable, but here on the bus -- in House's own mind -- we have House himself admitting that he's miserable and in pain and he doesn't want to go out to the real world where he fears his only friend will hate him. This is House, in a scene that's pure internal thought, admitting that he's as miserable as others have accused him of being. The question is, of course, where does that admission take him?

Bessie Mae- 05-20-2008

aithlyn...I don't see it that way, nor do I really see it as misanthropicobs put it either. I see it simply as a friend asking for a favor and a friend obliging. I think I'm on the same page as you. I think what Wilson wanted was for House to do what he could to save Amber. Nothing more than that. His nod when House asked if he wanted him to risk his life to save hers was more "Yes, I realize that ultimately, that's what it boils down to." Not, "ha, ha! I don't care about you as much." More like somebody needed to do something, and House was the guy you call for cases like that. To me, it's similar to the whole, "Two people are drowning and you can only save one." I don't think the one you pick is automatically the one you love more. There are different variables that need to be considered. House would be at a huge risk and there would be no guarantee that the procedure wouldn't kill him, but they wouldn't be flying blind. There'd be more of a chance that they could save him if something went wrong (I'm assuming) because they knew what was happening. But, as far as they knew, without House remembering, there was no chance to save Amber.

hwshipper- 05-20-2008

Just seen ep! (God today was the longest day at work ever) It was great, of course; I have never admired HL & RSL so much, and I loved all the House/Wilson scenes. I take the entire ep as finally canon confirmation that House will do *anything* for Wilson. And we've seen quite enough of Wilson doing anything for House in the past, so it's about time. But I have to say there were a number of moments where TPTB just lost me and the spell broke. The Kutner backstory reveal *really* grated on me - I was just like - where the hell did that come from, and what the hell are they telling us this *now* for? And the 13 Huntingdon's reveal ditto, although at least that was built up a little. And worst of all was the new ducks & Foreman parading past Amber's bed, which went on far too long IMHO. I was also fairly horrified that they woke Amber up like that in the first place, only to tell her that she was in fact dead. OK so it was necessary to give us the W/A farewell but frankly I thought it was a pretty horrible suggestion on Cuddy's part (as Wilson initially reacted). Anyway! I now look forward to seeing House working really hard to repair his friendship with Wilson. :wink: