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Boffle- 05-15-2008

What I don't quite get is why they have to wear the person's picture (or Jane Doe's lettering, no pics) around their necks during the bus re-creation. If they're in such a rush to figure this out, why take the time to locate the "id necklaces", insert the pics into the plastic, hang around necks, etc.? Why not just have the person hold the picture so House could see it? Well, they clearly have a stash of about 40 of those things left over from the survivor arc, so maybe they just took the numbers out and put the id info in. But having all those pix blown up, yeah, that's pushing it. I guess they only had pix for the ones that went to ppth.

arizonamyrie- 05-15-2008

Okay, I got a chance to sit-down and re-watch the episode, only really in-depth this time – no interruptions or anything. Managed to answer some of my questions, and probably a few others of people. Sat down, took notes (yeah, I’m obsessive), everything – really questioning the timeline as well and want to know when the crash happened, but know it’s futile. However, this is what really stands out to me. During hypnosis, Chase makes him “ignore” Amber and Wilson, but he remembers both Wilson and Amber outside of hypnosis, but when he goes “under,” he has no recollection of Amber at all. Aside from Wilson pulling him “out,” does he ever remember Wilson? I do know that when you are hypnotized, you can stay hypnotized if not pulled out of it fully – hence people who will cluck like a chicken on the cue of a certain word or forget a number in a sequence. They get pulled out of it, but some level of the hypnosis remains (which is partly why hypno-birthing works). They never actually show Chase bringing House out of the hypnosis. So, I’m assuming that while House isn’t fully conscious all the way through the episode, he isn’t really hallucinating at all – he’s just altering his levels of consciousness and finally comes out of the hypnosis at the end. I also found it interesting that it was House who prompted Chase to make Wilson and Amber go away during the hypnosis. He specifically says, “If I can’t lie, I need these two out of here,” and Chase promptly makes him ignore them. So, we’ve been blaming Chase and Wilson for making House forget when it’s been House all along. In one of the “bus scenes,” the Lady in Black says, “Technically you’re stalking me.” So, does this mean that House has been stalking Amber for some period of time? Why is House stalking Amber? Also, where exactly is Amber working? The fact that she was taken to Princeton General, but isn’t known there confirms that she isn’t working at that hospital. The fact that Cuddy can order her to do cares on patients makes me wonder if she’s at PPTH somehow, but if she were, Wilson would have known she was missing. So, is she at another hospital in Princeton or in a private practice? Wilson claims that she’s working as she’s on-call at the time of the crash. But, if she were missing why didn’t her employer start calling next of kin? And what really got to me was how House and Amber interacted during and immediately after the crash – which was the thing that caught my attention the most on first viewing. Assuming that House can’t lie while hypnotized, and that he was hypnotized throughout the episode, then House really was stalking Amber. If House was stalking Amber, what ulterior motive does he suspect/know her of having for her to be in Wilson’s life for so long? Why was he still caring for her so much during/after the crash? So here’s what I think is going on – pure speculation. Amber is lying about something and House suspects it, so he stalks her starting a few episodes ago (the one where she’s in Wilson’s McGill sweatshirt and House is in her apartment). Amber catches on to what House is doing and decides to stalk him as well. House leaves work, goes to a bar, starts drinking. Which really, can be a normal thing. But while there, House sees Amber and she knows that she’s been caught. She gets on a bus to get away (as House would recognize her or Wilson’s car, she’d use something other than that) but House follows and he goes to confront her on the bus. Accident happens. Then as they are both almost killed, he realizes that this game they’ve been playing will only hurt Wilson – whether to drive Amber away or put a skew in their friendship because prior to the accident, there’s no way House and Amber can coexist in Wilson’s life. In showing how caring House is of Amber just after the crash, and how he check on her first, does show how much he cares for his friendship with Wilson. So, it’s turned into a House/Wilson friendship arc. Amber as a plot device.

Namaste- 05-15-2008

I'm pretty sure that the "stalking" line is just about House chasing down "The Answer" to his puzzle, not Amber in real life. But I'm wondering if Amber's comments in the bar during the hypnosis -- asking why it's bad that Wilson worries about him -- is an actual memory. Maybe the reason Amber shows up is not because, as House complains, Amber comes up in every conversation with Wilson, but rather because that's actually what she said. After all, Chase and Wilson were right next to House in the hypnosis. It looked like Amber was sitting in a booth on the far side of the bar. Perhaps she actually was. (And she was wearing the same outfit as she was in the bus crash memory.)

Bedawyn- 05-15-2008

Wilson was not in the bar, as confirmed by the first flashback. Actually, it was the first flashback (and a general sense that Wilson was acting odd) that made me think he was. Well, except that I don't actually _think_ he was, I just think it's a possibility. As for his reaction to House drinking so early, he was critical but he didn't strike me as surprised, much less shocked. And I don't think he went there _with_ House, only that he might have been there for a while -- remember that we've got about three hours to work with. Plenty of people go out for a drink after work; I can see Wilson doing that (with or without Amber) and still being upset with House for getting drunk. Wilson also would be adding to or confirming House's information about the bar, he wouldn't be sitting there wondering what House is seeing. Not necessarily -- remember that at this point he's not taking House's "mystery patient" seriously yet. Also, there's some confusion about what House is and isn't saying out loud, so we know there's a possibility that what we hear in House's head isn't always reflected in the outside world. And there's one line that Wilson says -- I don't even remember what it is right now and don't have time to check, but there's something Wilson-in-the-bar says that made me wonder if the speaker was Wilson-in-the-office or a different Memory!Wilson In the final scene, it couldn't be clearer that Wilson is shocked and panicked that Amber was with House. Okay, this is probably all the proof we need that he didn't leave them in the bar together. But again, more than three hours to work with, so that's plenty of time for Wilson and Amber both to have arrived and left, perhaps without even knowing the other was there. Not a strong probability, but a possibility.

Talktidy- 05-15-2008

Normally, I’m all about the lurking, but I was so thrilled with this episode that I felt compelled to comment. There were some wonderful lines – I particularly liked Taub’s response to Kutner on the subject of accessing House’s memory. “Great Idea. I’ll build the submarine. You get the miniaturisation gizmo.” What I also thought was interesting was the episode opened with House in a strip joint, not normally a tenable position for a TV hero, (I do love this show and how, when it is at its best, it confounds expectations) and the way it then progressed House from what might be considered an ignoble beginning, to revealing him as actually being quite heroic in placing his health on the line to save another. Frankly, I’m a little astonished this episode worked so well, because there were so many writers given a credit, although I did note that Doris Egan got single credit for the story, so perhaps that’s why. I also thought the cast were outstanding and as for HL – I am simply speechless with admiration. Are you watching Emmy panel? I’m a little worried about the next episode, since I thought H’s H was the best episode in ages, possibly, since Three Stories, and I wonder if that high standard can be achieved again, but how I want to see them try. Back to lurk mode.

jonne- 05-15-2008

One thing I found strange regarding the strip club. It seems impossible that inside the club the girl does not know about the chaos right outside. There's helicopters and everything! Then again, she does have trouble naming five animals.

to21be- 05-15-2008

One thing I found strange regarding the strip club. It seems impossible that inside the club the girl does not know about the chaos right outside. There's helicopters and everything! Then again, she does have trouble naming five animals. Loud music, possibly a bit of sound proofing and a paying customer. :wink:

arizonamyrie- 05-15-2008

I'm pretty sure that the "stalking" line is just about House chasing down "The Answer" to his puzzle, not Amber in real life. See, part of me thinks that too, but the whole "game" that House and Amber have been playing with Wilson as the reward makes me wonder. Maybe Amber is with Wilson only because she likes Wilson, but I can't discredit some underlying, if not subconscious motivator lurking in the background. And had House not been partially hypnotized at the time - say it was before that moment - then I'd be saying the same thing. It's really the hypnosis that's making me question small details in the episode and wondering what's an illusion and what's real.

Chipmunk_love- 05-15-2008

I'm pretty sure that the "stalking" line is just about House chasing down "The Answer" to his puzzle, not Amber in real life. See, part of me thinks that too, but the whole "game" that House and Amber have been playing with Wilson as the reward makes me wonder. Maybe Amber is with Wilson only because she likes Wilson, but I can't discredit some underlying, if not subconscious motivator lurking in the background. And had House not been partially hypnotized at the time - say it was before that moment - then I'd be saying the same thing. It's really the hypnosis that's making me question small details in the episode and wondering what's an illusion and what's real. It would probably be much easier to decipher specifically that if House had been allowed to stand up and walk around while under hypnosis. If we could determine that he doesn't limp while under hypnosis either, then it would be a no-brainer as to what's illusion and what's real, but since he stayed seated the entire time, it's hard to be certain.

Poeia- 05-15-2008

I'm pretty sure that the "stalking" line is just about House chasing down "The Answer" to his puzzle, not Amber in real life. See, part of me thinks that too, but the whole "game" that House and Amber have been playing with Wilson as the reward makes me wonder. Maybe Amber is with Wilson only because she likes Wilson, but I can't discredit some underlying, if not subconscious motivator lurking in the background. And had House not been partially hypnotized at the time - say it was before that moment - then I'd be saying the same thing. It's really the hypnosis that's making me question small details in the episode and wondering what's an illusion and what's real. It would probably be much easier to decipher specifically that if House had been allowed to stand up and walk around while under hypnosis. If we could determine that he doesn't limp while under hypnosis either, then it would be a no-brainer as to what's illusion and what's real, but since he stayed seated the entire time, it's hard to be certain. In the real world, he would limp under hypnosis. He's missing muscle needed to lift his leg. He might limp less because he wouldn't be in pain. But, in House's world -- who knows. He didn't limp when the ketamine worked so I guess the missing muscle isn't a factor in the limp.

Maryl- 05-15-2008

It's really a shame this episode did not air after the Superbowl as originally planned. The cliff-hanger was great, and would have been really effective in building the audience for the following episode. Ending with the bus accident, which usually would have been the opening, was a nice change of pace. The interaction between House and Amber during and immediately after the crash was very moving. House almost never lets his guard down. Even with Wilson and Stacey he hides behind snarky quips and detached logic, but during the accident he actually allowed himself to make a human connection to Amber. I don't think there is anything going on between House and Amber beyond the bond that was created by the shared experience of that crash. He may go back to being his usual misanthropic self next week, but Amber has caught a glimpse of another side of him. Another nice twist was the change from the usual "what is wrong with the patient?" plot line, to having the mystery be "who is the patient?" In that respect it was similar to "Alone" where the identity of the patient turned out to be the missing piece of the puzzle.

LightMyCandle- 05-15-2008

I think my Cam hate rubbed off on a friend of mine (who is formerly a HAM shipper) because she finally saw the ep. last night and said the only thing that bugged her was Cameron getting up during the reenactment to see what the drugs were that House was taking and asking if he was okay. I was totally surprised that she said that because she used to defend her to the ground, and I (shockingly) had no problems with Cameron in this episode.

aithlyn- 05-16-2008

On my second time through, I noticed that 13 stood in for Jane Doe #2 twice in the episode. I am resolutely (fingers in ears, la la la ing as loud as I can) spoiler free to the point that I didn't watch the promo for next week, so I can't speculate on what that might mean, if anything. But twice seems pointed, somehow. I just pointed that out in my screencap post! If we both thought it up, maybe there really is something to this. I noticed it too, and decided that it was because 13 has been dubbed "a mystery" for most of the season; part of her mystery got revealed during this ep (her name, which can lead to more being discovered). Also, 13 and Amber were both strong female candidates for the fellowship; 13 made a good Jane Doe #2 because of her age (as far as I can tell) and they had one degree of separation, basically. Add to that the idea that people think The Answer looked like 13. The Answer WAS 13, as Jane Doe #2. Jane Doe #2 is the one House had the hunch about in the first place. Oh, and part of 13's mystery is that she might be dying, right? So that's another reason she's the perfect Jane Doe #2. maybe he asked her to meet him at the bar, so her even being there is his fault; maybe he called for Wilson to drive him home when his keys were taken and got Amber instead. Oooh, thank you for this theory! I got the impression that Wilson might have known a little bit more than he let on, though he obviously didn't know that Amber was injured. This could be the perfect explanation; he didn't know that Amber got on the bus, maybe didn't even know that Amber went to meet House -- but he knew that he hadn't, so he might not have wanted House to remember that, especially if his absence led to House being injured. YW! I keep thinking about this... House calls the apartment, gets Amber instead of Wilson. Says "nevermind" but Amber shows up anyway. They argue about the usual stuff, who sees Wilson when, the fact that she is the fly in the ointment as far as he is concerned, yadda yadda. She orders wine. Maybe she even does a shot with him or something, but winds up drunk. More drunk than she should be (she looks so serene in the shots, like she had a good glow on) and maybe that clues him into the kidney issue? Not sure. But let's say she starts acting drunk and the bartender then takes HER keys away, and that's how they end up taking the bus. Or not. But that made some sense to me. ;) Edited by Poeia to merge double posting.

NekoCat- 05-16-2008

I noticed it too, and decided that it was because 13 has been dubbed "a mystery" for most of the season; part of her mystery got revealed during this ep (her name, which can lead to more being discovered). Also, 13 and Amber were both strong female candidates for the fellowship; 13 made a good Jane Doe #2 because of her age (as far as I can tell) and they had one degree of separation, basically. Add to that the idea that people think The Answer looked like 13. The Answer WAS 13, as Jane Doe #2. Jane Doe #2 is the one House had the hunch about in the first place. Oh, and part of 13's mystery is that she might be dying, right? So that's another reason she's the perfect Jane Doe #2. Oh my god, I think you're a genius :shock:

DrSpaceman- 05-16-2008

Wilson claims that she’s working as she’s on-call at the time of the crash. But, if she were missing why didn’t her employer start calling next of kin? Someone else pointed out that "on call" doesn't necessarily mean working: you may be on call but never be called in to actual work. So Wilson could have assumed she was working, while her hospital may never have actually called her in. And I imagine that you have to miss more than one shift for your employer to act like the cops - they'd no doubt call her home and cell first and wait until at least a couple of days of not hearing back before they actually start pulling up the emergency contacts.