Another clue that Amber was in the bar: House doesn't strike me as the sort to be drinking wine on his own, not when he was drinking liquor a moment earlier.
What did people think of The Answer showing up one more time while (or maybe just before) they were trying to revive him? After he'd remembered the crash?
And I thought she looked like Stacy. :-) I think she was, indeed, supposed to be perhaps not an entirely generic model, but a generic version of the type of woman House finds attractive. A slim leggy brunette and the living embodiment of a puzzle? What more could he want? Subconscious!Cuddy says that he'd rather have answers than her, and it's The Answer, not Cuddy, that he ends up caressing.
Re the red blob in the picture on the wall: House has strange tastes in art. :-)
I'm not as mad at Wilson on rewatch as I was earlier, because it looks like PROMO SPEC: the accusation I first thought came from Wilson actually came from Taub. But given Wilson's "realization" during the MRI, I do think Wilson's going to believe it. I also think House is pretty much screwed whether he agrees to the life-risking thing or not. If he refuses, Wilson can claim he doesn't care about Wilson's happiness; if he agrees, Wilson can use it as "proof" that House has feelings for Amber. END SPEC
I also thought that Wilson was acting off somehow, for much if not all of the ep, but I can't put my finger on why.
I found no relevance to the fact that 13 was so obviously included in the scene where they locked themselves in and saved the bus driver
I've been saying from the beginning that she reminded me more of Chase than Cameron, though by now I think she and Kutner both have qualities of both the old Cs. But this scene immediately made me think of "Informed Consent" and I do think it was intended to firmly establish that 13 is going to be one of House's allies (as opposed to Foreman, Taub, and Cuddy). Kutner established himself this way early on so it would have been redundant to have him in this scene, but as bailey says, 13 until now has been on the fence.
so if it was hit twice maybe things weren't as they appeared in House's memory on the bus.
I thought I saw two impacts in his memory, the one where Amber was hit and then when his cane went flying? Maybe the bus was hit by a truck and as a result crashed into the SUV? On the other hand, if there was a collision with the side of the bus the way it seemed -- with Amber being hit directly from behind like that -- I'd expect both her and the guy directly across from her to have much worse injuries than they do.
Okay, can someone explain the timeline of this episode to me? I thought I understood it on the first watch, but after rewatch I'm totally confused.
In the strip bar, House looks at his watch, but I can't make out what time he says it is -- something-fifteen, I think? But if he left work at 5:30 and lost 4 hours, it can't be much past nine.
Then, in the ER, Wilson says the crash happened "last night". Originally, I thought this meant it was now annoying-o-clock in the morning, which is reasonable given how long it takes non-urgent patients to get treated in even a non-crowded ER and the fact that the first responders weren't exactly rushing to get House treatment. (I really hope someone writes a fic soon to cover the time between House wandering back onto the crash scene and the canon ER scene. What happened in between?) Why would Wilson say "last night" if it was still before midnight?
But several scenes later -- what seems like hours later -- Foreman says it's now 2 am. But so much has been happening between the crash and that scene, I can't believe it's less than 12 hours later. Especially with Wilson saying "last night". Should we just assume that either the "last night" or the "2 am" was a continuity error?
And then House goes to sleep, and there are cricket sounds, so it would seem to be the next evening, but it also seems like there's been much less time in the second 12 hours since the crash than in the first 12. And the reenactment seems to be the next morning (it would take time for them to arrange it). And that begs the question of why Wilson didn't notice her absence for over 36 hours.
*is confused*
daughterofcomaguy- 05-13-2008
If I remember the director correctly, the garbage truck hit the bus, then the bus hit a car or SUV and flipped over on it's side. He specifically said we wouldn't see the car being hit from the outside, it was merely a device to flip the bus over.
Did Amber get speared on the first impact or the second? To me, it looked like the second.
Did anyone else get queasy when Amber's purse went flying? It reminded me of the mattress buying scene when Amber gave Wilson her purse to hold (echoing House's warning - "you'll end up holding her purse").
My head hurts.
Umbrella- 05-13-2008
In your view, suspicious how?
I should clarify, I should have said that his behavior was making me suspicious of him. :) He seemed "off" somehow. I just didn't get the feeling he really wanted House to pursue what had happened before/during the crash at all--but YMMV of course, and I could see an argument that he's just trying to keep House from overextending himself (which true, he ended up doing and I think Wilson does get edgy when House is hurt).
As to what specifically, I wish I could put my finger on it better, but his attitude reminded me of the way he acted while he was spiking House's coffee--a little cagey, edgy, and distracting House from pursuing certain lines of thought. Why did he need to be present at all for the hyponosis--was he there to object to the whole process of overtaxing House's brain, or to monitor what House remembers? I don't know, I realize I'm probably making him out to be far more diabolical than he really is. Even though I admit I don't like Wilson, I love watching his character, since I'm never quite sure whether I just saw him be slimy or not.
One other thing I'm suspicious of is the episode itself. House just did not have enough injuries compared to the other passengers (cracked head aside), especially considering that we saw him be showered with broken glass. Shouldn't that scalp wound have been flowing like no tomorrow? I guess I'll just have to wait and see, but argh, it's so hard!
jonne- 05-13-2008
It was Wilson who shook House out of the "remembering" after he smelled the clothes, just when he was about to speak to The Answer. So that's twice he obstructed Houses memories, perhaps with his best interest in mind, but it made me think.
jair- 05-13-2008
I've seen no progression of awareness on 13's part that House shouldn't be questioned when he's on the hunt for a radical diagnosis. She's been all over the place. Sometimes she trusts him implicitly ("Ugly") and stays on the trail, mostly she's openly contemptuous of him--snapping the laptop shut on him, drugging him against his will and reasoned analysis. IMO she suffers from "girl duckling syndrome" in which she'll be used in any scene that requires some sort of female presence, regardless of whether or not it serves their character at that particular moment
13's no more all over the place than any of the characters that have to deal with House. All of the new team thought House needed to be treated in YDWTK, not just 13, and for good reason. When she didn't support him in the Christmas episode, House pointed out that it was because she wanted to believe in the mother due to her own issues about disclosure. There was a thematic point being made, drawing on past knowledge. Like other characters, she's supposed to have issues that impact her. She's nowhere near as inconsistent as Cameron was, scolding other people for judging House for the same things she was horrified by and willing to judge him for. I thought 13's presence was justified in each of her scenes--she's a member of the team, so she does team things. Chase and Cameron are not and should not be trotting around after House, waiting for his orders. House wasn't hiding any of his attempts to jog his memory and he was using everyone in one way or another to help him, not just 13. And while 13 may have had more of a presence this ep, she didn't in the last few eps--I think the writers are better able to balance this team's time than they did CC&F. In the past three seasons, no one would have been the least surprised to see Cameron front and centre, whether it made sense for her character to be there or not, and Chase sidelined. "Girl duckling syndrome" is actually less present this year, I find.
DOB1234- 05-13-2008
What a great episode. I absolutely loved it. I usually watch TV in my home office with my computer in front of me, and when the TV is less than compelling I’ll do a bit of web surfing on the side. Not last night. I was glued to the screen through the whole ep, didn’t want to miss a moment. That was really intense.
One thing that was interesting for me was the effect of the bus crash scene. Right up until I watched the episode I was thinking that there couldn’t be any logical reason for all the expense and effort needed to actually show the crash to the audience. I likened it to last season’s ‘Cubans rescued at sea’ teaser which I thought was completely unnecessary to show to the audience. Not so with this episode’s action. I thought that showing the crash was integral to the story and they did a great job of it. Very compelling.
God, how can I wait until next week to see the conclusion of this?
jair- 05-13-2008
I agree w/those who say "enough already" with the House near-death experiences. He has had more in 4 seasons than 99.9999% of the population has in a lifetime. It's almost a caricature and, at some level, is a crutch for good writing. The beauty of "3 Stories" was that it was an ep about story-telling (although the audience saw it as flashback) grounded in reality.
On another forum, someone wrote that there's an ep every season where we see inside House's head near the end of the season, and that seems to be a trademark of the series. I think that's a fair comment and I like it as a continuing motif. We usually get so little of House's feelings that having an ep where we see everything from his point of view is welcome and interesting. I don't see them as redundant--there's a different focus, not only thematically, but also on how illusion and reality are being used. In Three Stories, House consciously played with the illusion of storytelling, but only the audience was complicit in the shifts--his student audience would only have heard a professor lecturing and asking questions. In No Reason, House was not in control of his hallucinations at all and had to find a way to end them to survive. In Top Secret, House finds a way to interpret his dreams to help him affect reality, and in HH, House has to consciously enter a dream state to help him sort out reality. He's collapsing our usual view of illusion and reality as oppositional and embracing illusion as meaningful. So appropriate this season, where we've seen that House is not as comfortable with just the facts as he'd like to be.
The times House has been in trouble doesn't bother me, because he's supposed to be a severly injured character attracted to the edge and without a lot to lose. He's going to be a trouble magnet. I don't find it out of character to be able to project that House will not live to be an old man.
ggo85- 05-13-2008
It was Wilson who shook House out of the "remembering" after he smelled the clothes, just when he was about to speak to The Answer. So that's twice he obstructed Houses memories, perhaps with his best interest in mind, but it made me think.
OK, but unless we assume Wilson is a total jerk and knows his girlfriend was two-timing him and also knows whe is either dead or lying in a hospital somewhere and doesn't care, I'm not sure what rationale he has for cutting off House.
Of course, it could be that Wilson knew Amber was somehow meeting up with House for some unkown to us reason -- but not the bus and the accident and the rest -- and didn't want the story (whatever it was) getting out in front of others. Still a bit convoluted. While I typically think the writers work out every nuance, Wilson's manner and timing could just be coincidence.
That said, I did find the MRI scene rather strange. First, that Wilson was there with him alone (HELLO FOREMAN! Calling a Neurologist actually to do some neurological stuff!). While it made sense when the MRI was for leg pain (I can NEVER remember ep titles), it doesn't make sense here when everyone knew House had a head injury. And then the conversation re women -- it was out of place and made me think it had some larger point.
In retrospect, there may have been a bit too much going on. I know that was the point, but so much was crammed into 44 minutes that it was hard to process it. I think the number of characters didn't help -- trying to find things for all of them to do and dialogue for all of them to speak was almost a full-time job.
Even so, this will go down as one of my favorites.
DrSpaceman- 05-13-2008
I he hadn't interfered with the hypnosis House might have remembered Amber sooner. So, in a way, he prolonged the time wasted in finding and perhaps saving her.
It wasn't Wilson who did that, it was Chase. Wilson was doing the opposite - he was in the hypnosis asking House why Amber was there, then later he was asking House again why he had remembered Amber. If Wilson had been allowed to continue with his questioning of why Amber was significant it might have resulted in an earlier revelation. As it was, when House remembered Amber in the bar (which had nothing to do with Wilson - he hadn't mentioned Amber) he immediately tried to get away from the memory, and Chase did the absolutely wrong thing as a hypnotist - he dismissed the significance of something seen in a memory. There was no way for him to know what was significant or insignificant in the memories, and it came back to bite him in a big way - by telling House to ignore Amber (because he thought it was just House obsessing about Wilson and Amber again) he ended up squashing the important patient's identity and causing the Dark Woman to appear.
NightOwl- 05-13-2008
I also thought that Wilson was acting off somehow, for much if not all of the ep, but I can't put my finger on why.
I think that Wilson was acting "off" as well. And I think that's another clue that the whole episode was hallucination/dream.
In the strip bar, House looks at his watch, but I can't make out what time he says it is -- something-fifteen, I think? But if he left work at 5:30 and lost 4 hours, it can't be much past nine.
I think House said it was 8:15.
Then, in the ER, Wilson says the crash happened "last night". Originally, I thought this meant it was now annoying-o-clock in the morning, which is reasonable given how long it takes non-urgent patients to get treated in even a non-crowded ER and the fact that the first responders weren't exactly rushing to get House treatment.... Why would Wilson say "last night" if it was still before midnight?
I don't think Wilson meant that the crash happened "last night." I think what he said is that House thinks he treated the soap star last night, but he actually treated the soap star a week ago.
Which, to me, means House lost more than four hours. Or something. I don't know.
LightMyCandle- 05-13-2008
I really don't think Wilson's hiding anything. If he is, I can't imagine what it would be. I don't believe he knew Amber was with House because he looked genuinely shocked and on the verge of panic when House told him it was Amber. He was curious about why she was in his hallucinations and questioned it a lot but House (and Chase) dismissed it.
As for his timing, I think a) he was concerned about House and didn't want him to keep putting stress on his brain and b) it will be ironic that he kept House from remembering the only other person that Wilson seems to really love, YMMV.
I know she wasn't real, but I really like The Answer. I didn't think she looked like Cameron at all, maybe a young Stacy, but not Cam or 13. Anyway, I liked her, I think I liked her better than Cate (ducks flying objects.)
Chipmunk_love- 05-13-2008
I really don't think Wilson's hiding anything. If he is, I can't imagine what it would be. I don't believe he knew Amber was with House because he looked genuinely shocked and on the verge of panic when House told him it was Amber. He was curious about why she was in his hallucinations and questioned it a lot but House (and Chase) dismissed it.
Wilson teases House all the time about potentially having a crush on someone. I thought that's why he brought it up during the MRI - House has a crush on Amber.
I know she wasn't real, but I really like The Answer. I didn't think she looked like Cameron at all, maybe a young Stacy, but not Cam or 13. Anyway, I liked her, I think I liked her better than Cate (ducks flying objects.)
And if you ask me, she had Amber's voice down, or at least her tone. I knew along who she was representing, but I thought at least that part was great.
pogoingrox- 05-13-2008
This was the most intense episode ever; it was amazing! I love episodes where House is injured.
I like the fact that house gets hurt a lot. It makes him ever more intriguing. However I'm a little tired of him only getting INJURED. On "Half-Wit" i thought "finally!" Then on "No More Mr.Nice-Guy" i was a little leary, but hopeful that he did infact have sphilis...
It's annoying when the only times he gets hurt or sick are allways from getting injured, ODing or detoxing.
Then on this episode when his heart stopped I was happy that something on the INSIDE (even though it was drug-induced) was happening instead of him getting shot, cracking his head open, ect.
The CPR was hypnotisingly wonderful! We hardly ever get to see any Huddy; Even if it is only CPR. I also enjoyed Cuddy in his apartment; it isn't much Huddy but it's enough for me.
Chase as a hypnotist- hilariously clever!
Cuddy stripping- the writers sure do a good job of making house seem like an obsessed old man and this just confirmed it more. Plus that wasn't half-bad...
Over all- great episode and I can't wait all the way to Monday!!!
One more thing. I'm so confused! Is 13 bi or what?! Everyone allways calls her bi and she has never denied it but its never just been said "13 is bisexual". And then there is the fact that we don't know her name or if she is dying. 13 is soo maddening!
Lagniappe- 05-13-2008
Wow! What to say about this episode that hasn't been mentioned already...
Count me as one who thinks the episode was NOT one long hallucination. If it was, the final scene with the Amber reveal makes no sense, as House was obviously on the bus after the re-enactment when he told everyone that he'd seen Amber.
The entire episode had me totally engaged. In fact, I kept thinking it had to be almost over because it seemed to last so long - not because it was boring, but because so much was happening! It was just packed with intense moments.
I loved the way it was filmed - surreal throughout. I know people have said this indicates it wasn't "real" but I think it is more a case of wanting to show that House isn't seeing the world quite normally, even when he is not actually hallucinating. Having had a concussion, I know that things seem a bit off when one is dealing with bleeding in the brain, and I believe we were getting an idea of how House was viewing the world throughout.
Why they let House go home if he was bleeding from his ear, I'm not sure, other than perhaps knowing that he would receive the same treatment (if not better care) at home with a home health nurse keeping an eye on him as he would in the hospital. And in the vain hope that it would keep him out of trouble and away from meddling in the diagnosis.
I also do not believe House was having an affair with Amber, but of course Wilson's mind might go there - seeing his history and House's unwillingness (or inability) to explain WHY he was with Amber.
Favorite aspect? The fact that House's subconscious KNOWS it is Amber who was dying, and so he keeps pushing himself to find the answer, even though on a conscious level he doesn’t know why. Shows that he cares for Wilson deeply - enough to risk his health to try and save his girlfriend even though he "doesn't do self-sacrifice" and he and Amber are rivals for Wilson's affection.
travin1- 05-13-2008
What was that white thing sticking out of Amber's purse? It looked almost like a tube sock. I have to wonder if there's something more to her purse.