4.13 No More Mr. Nice Guy

Not sure why you said sorry, Lagniappe, everything you said in your previous post is true. And what does the DP mean? It's human nature that we can all look at the same thing yet each person will have a different interpretation of what they saw. Some will see things others miss and, consequently, what you focus on (and what you don't) will determine how you view what you saw, in addition, of course, to how closely you align yourself with whatever personal agenda you happen to bring to it. That's why it's fun to share opinions and "discoveries" online especially in a show as openly written as "House." You learn how others see things and you have the opportunity to see things you would otherwise have missed. And you can see where others miss your point, and maybe where you have missed theirs. It's all very interesting. It's also why whatever agenda you hold colors your interpretation and if you are primarily fundamentalist and evangelical about your view, others become increasingly anathema and you learn less, because you do not allow other views the equal possibility of being true. Of course, I don't mean this in regard to any particular poster or group, but as a general comment on how all of us who take the time to think about these issues and post comments are subject to our common flaws and virtues as human beings, making us deserving of giving and receiving acceptance, tolerance and "the kindness of strangers." ETA: Thanks Lully! That makes me feel better. Then Lagniappe wasn't apologizing for the content just for double-posting! Ha! I'm such a dork. Anyway, thanks for clarifying. :-)

So, so true, Lagniappe. It's fascinating, actually, the myriad of interpretations for an entire episode, or a scene, a line. The fact that the fans are from so many different backgrounds also complicated things. The expectations change according to our age and culture. And personal taste is exactly this, personal taste. I always come to the episode thread much later than others, and I'm always, always surprised with so many divergent opinions. And how, sometimes after I read a specific opinion, my interpretation can also change, or at least be more open. It happened in NMMNG: my first view was all about the funny moments then, after I read other's opinions, I started to notice so much more "dark" layers in the story. Yes, human beings are very funny and infuriating! And Boffle, I guess that DP means Double Post.

As this has absolutely nothing to do with the episode, I'm bringing my reply to the Season 4 General Discussion thread.

I love you guys to death and all, but could we please refrain from bashing the women for dressing like... women? Maybe I'm just overly sensitive to it, having spent most of my career surrounded by men, but it's very disheartening to hear on this board. Especially, the remarks about the actresses' physical attributes, or lack thereof. On topic: Did I mention how much I loved the reference to evolution and the bashing of intelligent design. Go, House, go! You well-educated, grumpy bastard!

You are right Poeia. I too probably should have posted in General four - but when I started to post, I really planned on dsicussing my reaction to the reaction to NMMNG, and then just sort of went off the rails. Lag *the contrite* And yes, DP was meant to indicate a "double post" I had to remove. Sorry for the acronym confusion. :wink:

Did I mention how much I loved the reference to evolution and the bashing of intelligent design. Go, House, go! You well-educated, grumpy bastard! Um, do you think you could refrain from calling people who believe in intelligent design un-educated?

blue, I think the wardrobe discussions are appropriate inasmuch as they are in a workplace. Cuddy's penchant for low-cut tops says something about her personality, especially as she is in a job in which she needs professional respect. (Personally, if the only two options for her wardrobe were "very sexy" and "imitation male" I'd pick the sexy.) Similarly, Amber wants to be seen as tough as nails. And the fact that she wears skirts to work which would be difficult to sit in, much less lean over a patient's bed to perform a procedure, without flashing people probably subconsciously gave us a hint that she was more concerned with being attractive to people than she let on. A lot of conversation has been devoted to Wilson's ties and Chase's unusual choices of color combinations. And you know if House started wearing his jeans so tight that we could believe it when he told Boyd in HvG "I keep a sock in my pants" there would be plenty of discussion about that, too. As to the posts on OW's body -- that did come up for discussion among the moderators. It's a very fine line, I know. I was the one who said that we could probably let one or two comments get by but if the topic continued, it would be in clear violation of the rules (" Admiring an actor/actress's looks/body is fine. Three pages of "he's so hot" isn't. The same goes for bashing an actor/actress's looks or body.") Anyway, in the lounge scene between the new and old fellows, I was thinking about the fact that we don't get to discuss Cameron's vests anymore, now that she wears scrubs all the time. But why are the scrubs at PPTH made of such a thin fabric. It's not practical considering the number of bodily fluids that get splashed on them and the frequent washings they go through in boiling water. (How's that for getting back on topic. :D )

Um, do you think you could refrain from calling people who believe in intelligent design un-educated? I didn't call anyone un-educated. I said House was educated, which I don't think is a controversial statement. Poeia, I don't mind a discussion of clothing, per se. I see your point. Maybe I just reacted because those posts also contained the 'body' discussion, and the discussion of the women's clothing just tends to be more negative.

Speaking of the lounge scene between the new and old fellows, I found it funny that while Foreman spends the episode trying to push his authority over the new fellows, that it is Chase who tells them what needs to be done and they do it, including Foreman! In the scene right after the Hitler remark, Chase tells the entire group that regardless they are going to have to deal with it and tell House he had syphilis, and then he walks out of the room. The next scene has Foreman leading the charge into House’s office so that they can tell House the news. Pretty funny when you think about it.

Speaking of the lounge scene between the new and old fellows, I found it funny that while Foreman spends the episode trying to push his authority over the new fellows, that it is Chase who tells them what needs to be done and they do it, including Foreman! Maybe someone else mentioned this, but I also noticed that House got the idea for the 'custody' agreement from Chase. They're bowling. Chase mentions Cameron's insufferable friend and his solution. House gets his thinky face and takes off. The next scene is him proposing the agreement to Amber. I just thought it was cute.

In the scene right after the Hitler remark, Chase tells the entire group that regardless they are going to have to deal with it and tell House he had syphilis, and then he walks out of the room. The next scene has Foreman leading the charge into House’s office so that they can tell House the news. Pretty funny when you think about it. No, that's not quite right. Foreman, 13, Taub, and Kutner told House first. THEN we got the scene at the table outside. A couple scenes later, we got the lounge scene, where the Hitler remark was made. What Chase said in the lounge was something like, "You had to tell him."

What Chase said in the lounge was something like, "You had to tell him." Very close. They were worried about whether House was losing his genius. I believe what Chase said was, "You had to treat him. What's done is done."

I just remembered that I wanted to mention something I noticed. House is reading a magazine called "The Soap Chronicles" at the beginning of the episode in the clinic. The inside text however is in Spanish. I just thought that was a nice call back to his language skills. And I bet he knew what "Fuego del amor" was, before he erased it from Wilson's TiVo, if he's reading about Spanish language soap operas. (Or maybe he started to, because he couldn't stand Wilson watching something and not knowing what it was about).

I didn't think much of the House/Amber conflict - it almost seemed like something out of bad fan fic. I liked Amber much better when she told House she'd rather have Wilson than the fellowship because Wilson makes her feel as if she doesn't have to be a bitch (or something like that). In that moment, she was almost likeable and I was hoping to see more of the un-bitchy side of Amber - I mean, even if she's a bitch to everyone, that she'd be kind to Wilson. But she came across as even bitchier than ever - acting bratty because you can't have sex with your boyfriend.... that's pretty juvenile. (I do understand the objection to a drunk boyfriend but I think that extends beyond not getting to have sex.) I found the incessant references to her insatiable sex drive kinda ... off-putting, as if Wilson's not good for much else. My objection is not because I don't want to see Wilson with a woman or even with Amber herself, just because I was expecting some more insight why Amber likes Wilson, based on her earlier conversation with House. Or why Wilson likes Amber. There's got to be more than just sex - or maybe not? I do like Amber but if she has only this one dimension of being cutthroat bitch, her character's going to bore me. I know the whole shared-custody thing was meant to be funny but for some reason, it just didn't resonate with me. I did think it was a good episode, though. I liked Wilson's line: "I didn't know drinks had subtext" - I immediately thought of myself and all the other House/Wilson Hoyayers. drunk!Wilson's cute, even if he's no good for sex.

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