4.13 No More Mr. Nice Guy

1. I was also pondering that, especially since the title of the song is "Ain't Too Proud to Beg." I wonder who's begging? No, the song played at the end of the episode is "You Keep Me Hanging On" by the Supremes.

Okay I had to... :D From Urban Dictionary: An act where several individuals (usually male) masturbate in a circle (hence, circle jerk). This group activity was first practiced and invented in Australia. I'm surprised Chase didn't correct House. :lol:

1. I was also pondering that, especially since the title of the song is "Ain't Too Proud to Beg." I wonder who's begging? No, the song played at the end of the episode is "You Keep Me Hanging On" by the Supremes. Dammit, you're right. New theory to ponder. Should learn to re-watch episodes.

It does help, Chippers. After tonight's rewatch, I liked the show better, House better, even Amber a little better, Wilson way less (by the end anyway, the sniggering brat!) and Cuddy, both less and more. I especially noticed that Taub had an excellent quiet moment, telling us very subtly that his wife, who he had given up his career for, had cheated on him. He's the jerkiest of the newbies and in that way, the most like House, so when he's hurt, he's a little helpless and you feel both sorry for and annoyed with him at once, as with House. And since we don't need two Houses (Hice?) I suspect he may be leaving us soon.

1) What significance does the song at the end have? The "you don't really love me, you just keep me hanging on" one? I didn't pay attention to the lyrics until like the third rewatch of that scene. I, like others, think it's got to be about Wilson and Amber, or possibly Wilson testing both House and Amber to see how much they really love him.

Perhaps the song is referring to the fact that House and Amber's love -- in whatever form you choose to define that word -- for Wilson forces them to keep hanging on -- or hanging out -- with each other, though they'd love to be set free from each other.

Okay I had to... :D From Urban Dictionary: An act where several individuals (usually male) masturbate in a circle (hence, circle jerk). This group activity was first practiced and invented in Australia. I'm surprised Chase didn't correct House. :lol: Well, not on screen, because that would have been awkward, but I'm sure it would have been fascinating to hear the off-camera conversation between JS and Etonian HL. :shock: :lol:

You got it Chipper! :lol: Masturbating with one hand then the other. We're all adults here :wink: I suggest everyone watch the whole bowling scene again and listen closely to the music lyrics. :)

I suggest everyone watch the whole bowling scene again and listen closely to the music lyrics. Unfair, Watson! I'm at work and now I've got about 9 hours before I get home to do so. Care to enlighten those of us far from our tvs? ;-)

filex1410 wrote: Okay I had to... From Urban Dictionary: An act where several individuals (usually male) masturbate in a circle (hence, circle jerk). This group activity was first practiced and invented in Australia. I'm surprised Chase didn't correct House. I really am way too young to be learning about this sort of thing. I would be so tragically unhip it urban dictionary didn't exist. Everyday People by Sly and the Family Stone. We got to live together...

Perhaps the song is referring to the fact that House and Amber's love -- in whatever form you choose to define that word -- for Wilson forces them to keep hanging on -- or hanging out -- with each other, though they'd love to be set free from each other. Yes. I thought it applied to them, and could well apply to other situations touched on in the episode as well. Taub and his wife; Chase and Cameron; Foreman's ambiguous place in the department. (I am not sure if Taub would actually go if he did leave his wife - in a way, his old career cost him something very dear, he might want a fresh start instead.) I thought it was interesting, actually, that the patient's wife was worried about no longer being one of the things he likes, while the patient's inherent optimism still reigned supreme. His demeanor seemed to suggest that re-learning his likes and dislikes would just be another grand adventure.

I suggest everyone watch the whole bowling scene again and listen closely to the music lyrics. Unfair, Watson! I'm at work and now I've got about 9 hours before I get home to do so. Care to enlighten those of us far from our tvs? ;-) Okay - partial lyrics: Sometimes I'm right and I can be wrong My own beliefs are in my song The butcher, the banker, the drummer and then Makes no difference what group I'm in I am everyday people, yeah yeah There is a blue one who can't accept the green one For living with a fat one trying to be a skinny one And different strokes for different folks

could well apply to other situations touched on in the episode as well. Taub and his wife; Chase and Cameron; Foreman's ambiguous place in the department. ITA, lots of ramifications for the song. Same thing applies to NMNNG - not just the PotW, & Wilson re House & Amber, but Amber breaking the contract to tell the kids about the fake test, House screwing with the team & also Foreman getting a clue about his interactions with the team (arguably too nice in the performance reviews) & also Chase. I'm surprised at all the Chase is OOC comments for this ep - we've seen Chase evolve from dealing with House saying no him, Chase coping with saying no back, in public, & also putting Foreman down for his tagging after House. What he's stil lbad at is saying no to Cameron (& ending the FWB, though he said no to the sex at work, was ultimately at some level about Cameron controlling what was happening between them, particularly when she in HE goes back to Chase). Next step in Chase's evolution is saying no to Cameron & Cameron dealing with it on Chase's terms, not hers. That's what we saw the start of (and Chase saying embarrassing things in public, sure, happened before - look at what he had to say about Foreman & House's idiocies in the resignation arc). Now its extended to statements about himself - and oh, yes, isn't that public pissiness at Cameron about her (sexual) behavior very House-like? Here comes NMMNG Chase. There was actually a fairly big dramatic point to all this. And having said all that, now I'm going to work.

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It's often missed in all the squeeing, but I think Peter Jacobsen does an amazing job very quietly building this character who should shouldn't be sympathetic, but yet is. He never yells, never seems to get upset, but there is a depth of reaction with him, like the scene mentioned above when you get far more than is on the page. Or as in his scene with Foreman, in which it's clear that this is a man with far more experience as a "leader" than Foreman has ever had -- maybe more than Foreman will ever have -- and just very calmly lays his cards on the table. I especially noticed that Taub had an excellent quiet moment, telling us very subtly that his wife, who he had given up his career for, had cheated on him. He's the jerkiest of the newbies and in that way, the most like House, so when he's hurt, he's a little helpless and you feel both sorry for and annoyed with him at once, as with House. And since we don't need two Houses (Hice?) I suspect he may be leaving us soon. PJ consistently gets me interested in his character on a level that surprises me; like Taiga says, "you get far more than what is on the page." I'd love to see Taub and Wilson have a conversation re: fidelity/marraige, not unlike the one Wilson and Cameron had about that mysterious person that made Jimmy feel funny and good. I dunno Boffle, that speech by Taub made me think he suspects his wife may have cheated on him, but doesn't want to find out because that would "suck worse." Taub cheated but seems to want his wife and his marriage to stick around, now he has to wonder if his wife did the same thing he did but will eventually decide that she's gonna drop him like the POTW dropped ketchup. So the person who seemed to be the "weakest" in the relationship (partner being cheated on, Mr. Nice Guy, Wilson the Custody Pawn, the New Ducks being reviewed) actually has the power to control what happens next. I don't find myself being annoyed with Taub (unless Kutner really needs that $5) or feeling sorry for him (Taub seems pretty self-aware and self-satisfied; searching but not isolated) the way I admittedly sometimes do with House. He is the jerkiest of the newbies outside of CTB, though. But I don't want PJ to leave us! Here comes NMMNG Chase. I'm so down for NMMNG Chase.

So the person who seemed to be the "weakest" in the relationship (partner being cheated on, Mr. Nice Guy, Wilson the Custody Pawn, the New Ducks being reviewed) actually has the power to control what happens next. That is a great way of looking at it. I like episodes that initially seem to mean nothing but then you have to peel away the layers to see how it ties together. I'm not sure about Taub's speech, it seemed to come out of nowhere, like we got there in the middle of the scene, all of the sudden it cut to him ranting at 13 and then cut away again. It just seemed out of place, but I'll give it a second viewing to see if it strikes me differently.

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