Oh, Chase. In front of a crowd? Is so not the place to be asking that question. If anyplace, because it's not so much any of his business, unless he's ready to actively accuse her of cheating. And the paranoia seemed really random...but what was interesting was that unlike Ugly? That wasn't exactly played for laughs - he was dead serious.
I'll agree with the time and place criticism--not in front of a crowd--but I think he had a right to the question and it wasn't paranoia. Cameron has consistently denied that's there's anything to discuss about her feelings for House, while consistently showing there is. Even during the FWB, she initiated the kiss and her mind went from there to sex with House at the end of HW. This season, she's been focused on House to the point of having to apologise to Foreman after Chase called her on it, and she obsessed about her feelings for House in front of Chase in Ugly. I think we just saw the fallout from that.
I think Cameron's refusal to talk about her feelings for House other than to deny them leave Chase feeling that he doesn't really know what's going on. When syphilis enters the picture, that's worrying. I think the syphilis scare is the thin edge of wedge that will open up what these two have been avoiding talking about. For better or for worse.
LightMyCandle- 04-29-2008
Did anyone else notice Kutner take some of Wilson's chips?
I don't believe Amber is just out to get revenge on House. She seemed genuinely upset by House's initial custody proposal. I do think she cares about Wilson and doesn't want to lose him. Having said that, the way she's going about it is going to come back to bite her in the butt, IMO. She's playing it like House, the difference is, House was actually being kind of gentle with Wilson (except when he told him his little, " this is why I got you drunk plan"). He was playing on his sympathy with that dejected way he left his office. Granted, we didn't see Amber alone with Wilson, but she did call him a wuss in front of his best friend and his boss. I think House is playing this smarter than Amber is. She's trying so hard not to lose to House, that I believe, she's going to wind up driving Wilson away. I could be wrong, but I think she's the one who's ultimately going to ruin their relationship. Though all three of them were acting like children and frankly, (though it's not part of the agreement) Wilson should've been punished too. He was no angel last night. I love the man, but still...bad Wilson for telling on House. Bad. I should go spank him now. Excuse me. :P
About the C/C thing. I believe NightOwl mentioned, several pages back, a theory that I didn't want to say but I was thinking. That Cameron didn't answer Chase because she wants to play up her "importance" in House's life. I mean, in Love Hurts, she was pretty darn pleased with herself that she got a date out of House and didn't exactly keep it private. Now, all of the sudden, it's no one else's business? Okay.
Now, I don't want this to be true. I'm much happier believing that she didn't answer because she's tired of everyone reminding her of her crush on House (like I just did :D ) or that asking that in front of other people is inappropriate and she wouldn't give him that satisfaction.
*Sighs* I just had to get that off my chest.
jair- 04-29-2008
I don't see what her not being a newbie has to do with anything. His phrasing of it was juvenile. And, just because you're used to it doesn't mean you can't call him on it. I said she objected to House acting like Wilson was their love child, and somehow that turned into her objecting to House wanting to spend time with Wilson at all. Which, from what I saw, rewatching it a few times, never happened.
I think one of the points of the bowling scene with Chase is that House doesn't get to see Wilson any more, socially. Chase asks whether Wilson is busy again, pretty pointedly, even though he's fine with being the substitute--I loved the hint of their new relationship. And Chase then gives House the framework of how to try and get some time. It didn't sound to me like House was getting one night a week and a few weekends without that plan. And one night a week for friends this close is pretty reasonable. Amber insisting that her 40 year old man be back by 11:00, on the other hand, not so much.
Bessie Mae- 04-29-2008
There's no way I'm ever going to see eye to eye with the idea that CB did anything wrong in this episode or anything worse than House did.
So, I'll focus on something else. At the end with the patient, when he said he didn't like ketchup and wondered what else he didn't like, did it look like his wife was nervous? Like she either saw that as a threat on his part that he wouldn't like her anymore or that it might just be how things ended up in the long run?
Chipmunk_love- 04-29-2008
She did look nervous, Bessie, but I don't think he meant it as a threat. He was just honestly wondering what he wouldn't like anymore, and since I guess it can be inferred that they had been married after he got sick, she was scared that he would suddenly wake up one day not liking her.
edicotte- 04-29-2008
She did look nervous, Bessie, but I don't think he meant it as a threat. He was just honestly wondering what he wouldn't like anymore, and since I guess it can be inferred that they had been married after he got sick, she was scared that he would suddenly wake up one day not liking her.I had a quick flash to the Grey's episode last thursday where the patient's wife wondered if her marriage was just a symptom of his brain tumor.
Bessie Mae- 04-29-2008
She did look nervous, Bessie, but I don't think he meant it as a threat. He was just honestly wondering what he wouldn't like anymore, and since I guess it can be inferred that they had been married after he got sick, she was scared that he would suddenly wake up one day not liking her.
I also think they got married after he was sick. It seems like she never knew him before that time, because didn't she say, or wasn't it implied that he was always unbelievably nice ever since she knew him?
vitawash99- 04-29-2008
The thing is...I think the H/W/A is partly Wilson's problem, because on some level, Amber is right, he is a wuss. He can't tell his girlfriend that he needs to spend time with his best friend - and if Amber had yoga on Wednesdays, why wasn't he already spending Wednesdays with House? He also can't tell her that he doesn't want to have sex that often, and that not having sex so often doesn't mean he doesn't care about her. Sex which apparently takes two hours, from her bedtime schedule - I wonder if Amber is insecure and overcompensating with the sex, because that's the only thing she can think of that she can give Wilson that House can't. And if he can't have those conversations with Amber, why can't he just leave?
However, there is a question of whether he's a wuss because he's intimidated by her, or a wuss because he won't take the responsibility for being assertive with her, because he's enjoying being the focus of their attention. Frankly, I don't see Wilson showing her love and respect, either, which would involve treating her like an adult instead of a child who can't handle a conversation about space in their relationship.
(Randomly? Amber doing yoga is like, the funniest idea ever. It's all about relaxing and not competing. How can she stand it?)
I think Cameron's refusal to talk about her feelings for House other than to deny them leave Chase feeling that he doesn't really know what's going on. When syphilis enters the picture, that's worrying. I think the syphilis scare is the thin edge of wedge that will open up what these two have been avoiding talking about. For better or for worse.
The thing is, I don't think there is a syphilis scare, other than in Chase's head. Cameron wasn't giving the impression, IMO, that she had anything to worry about. And I don't know what else Cameron can do but deny currently having feelings for House - if Chase is going to classify any concern Cameron expresses for House as a reason to feel threatened, despite the fact that she's been in a relationship with Chase for nearly a year, he's got a big problem. If their relationship is in trouble, it could be because Cameron is tired of handling his insecurity with kid gloves, not because she actually has any interest in straying. I mean, in Ugly, there was good reason for her to react and try to fix things. But Chase just went bowling with House, it's not like he thinks they had to be cut off from him - yet he's uneasy when Cameron even mentions House.
Which is interesting, in a way - Chase isn't intimidated by interacting with House, work-wise or apparently even fun-wise. But he's still intimidated by him in regards to Cameron. House doesn't hold sway over most of his life, but Chase is afraid House still holds sway over Cameron. Going back to his faith vs. fear quandary, I'd say he's hit his latest test.
Poeia- 04-29-2008
Oh, Chase. In front of a crowd? Is so not the place to be asking that question. If anyplace, because it's not so much any of his business, unless he's ready to actively accuse her of cheating.
Cameron ended the "friends with benefits" relationship at the end of Airborne. The were not involved during the whole "It's Tuesday. I like you." thing and didn't start dating again until Human Error.
So there was a month or two when Cameron could have slept with House and it wouldn't have been cheating. Nevertheless, I do think that it is a bit paranoid on Chase's part because Cameron's crush really was over by S3 and he knows it. I think she's still more than a little in love with House (and Chase knows that too) and she would jump at the chance of a long-term relationship with him but she's no longer naive enough to think one night together would fix him.
Okay. I'm going to say it. Every time they talk about fixing House my reaction is "What? Are they planning to spay him like a dog?" :oops:
Namaste- 04-29-2008
Amber doing yoga is like, the funniest idea ever. It's all about relaxing and not competing. How can she stand it?
Oh, believe me. Yoga may supposed to be about contemplation and internal growth, but go to almost any yoga studio, and you're going to find lots of people in competition with each other. Hey! Watch how zen I can be!
extra_cat- 04-29-2008
I rewatched the bowling scene and could imagine this piece of dialogue:
House: Nice form.
Chase: Thanks.
House: Those ballet lessons really paid off.
I've never been bowling and haven't paid much attention to it, but are you supposed to look like a dancer after you throw the ball? :lol:
I really do like Amber and would like for her to stick around. But I still wish they'd get rid of 13 and Taub. He's just another version of Foreman and the original version is pretty useless at this point. Do we need two of them?
I also wonder how many fake-outs they think the audience is going to fall for? It seems like most of us caught on pretty quickly that the STD thing was fake. Do any of us really expect them to tag House with anything like that?
Bessie Mae- 04-29-2008
I rewatched the bowling scene and could imagine this piece of dialogue:
House: Nice form.
Chase: Thanks.
House: Those ballet lessons really paid off.
I've never been bowling and haven't paid much attention to it, but are you supposed to look like a dancer after you throw the ball? :lol:
Ha!!
I also wonder how many fake-outs they think the audience is going to fall for? It seems like most of us caught on pretty quickly that the STD thing was fake. Do any of us really expect them to tag House with anything like that?
I don't. Because then that opens the door for him to stop being House. Or, that our reaction to anything he does isn't supposed to be amusement or annoyance (depending on your attitude to him) but pity.
HouseIsMine- 04-29-2008
I really don't see Wilson doing anything about House and Amber, let alone manipulating them. I think he is just being a wussy so he can keep getting sex. If he was any kind of a man he would want and need "guy time" whether it was with House or sports or something.
I have seen people bowl in the same manner as Chase and I didn't read anything into his "form".
Although House still appears to "care" about solving his cases, his games divert his attention a lot more than they used to. He even said that Kutner's revelation should have been his. Part of the fun of this series for me was seeing House "win".
Chipmunk_love- 04-29-2008
I've never been bowling and haven't paid much attention to it, but are you supposed to look like a dancer after you throw the ball?
Well...first I think you roll the ball, not throw it. Though that would have made for a more interesting scene.
If Chase had given me the same look he gave House after his first round, I would have done anything for the man. Murder Cameron, anything. :wink:
OldHamster- 04-29-2008
Ah, yes, Chase definitely looked pretty bowling. I'm no Chaser, but ... ::sigh::
Much as I adore childLIKE House -- the guy who loves monster trucks and video games and cheesy television -- ChildISH House is starting to bug me. Negotiating for "playdates" (Amber's word) with Wilson? Reminded me of a kid "negotiating" with Mom for an extra cookie.
Amber worked for House. She knows how close he and Wilson are, and she is in a better position than his exes to understand and accept that they need time together.
The thing is...I think the H/W/A is partly Wilson's problem, because on some level, Amber is right, he is a wuss. He can't tell his girlfriend that he needs to spend time with his best friend - and if Amber had yoga on Wednesdays, why wasn't he already spending Wednesdays with House? He also can't tell her that he doesn't want to have sex that often, and that not having sex so often doesn't mean he doesn't care about her. Sex which apparently takes two hours, from her bedtime schedule - I wonder if Amber is insecure and overcompensating with the sex, because that's the only thing she can think of that she can give Wilson that House can't. And if he can't have those conversations with Amber, why can't he just leave?
However, there is a question of whether he's a wuss because he's intimidated by her, or a wuss because he won't take the responsibility for being assertive with her, because he's enjoying being the focus of their attention. Frankly, I don't see Wilson showing her love and respect, either, which would involve treating her like an adult instead of a child who can't handle a conversation about space in their relationship.
Word. This is what adults do. Stacy didn't seem to have any problem accepting Wilson's role in House's life, and I'm guessing Cuddy or Cameron, were they to hook up with House, wouldn't either. (In fact, I have written fics in which House and Cameron buy a two-family home and rent the upstairs flat to Wilson, and he is very much a part of both their lives.)
Wilson is being a wuss, but I think it's because at least one, and possibly all three, of his marriages ended because the Mrs. couldn't deal with the 800-pound gorilla that is his friendship with House. And just as Amber may be overcompensating with sex, I think Wilson is overcompensating with time -- choosing time with Amber over time with House so she doesn't play the "It's him or me" card.
JMO and YMMV, as always.
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