4.13 No More Mr. Nice Guy

During the scene where Wilson...asks House if he was going to continue screwing... and House says he will but they won't talk about it. YES, this could very well mean messing with his team. Or having sex with prostitutes. That seems to me to be the most logical and simple explanation. True, but I'd prefer it if he meant Cuddy. :D

Now that I've digested the episode one thing keeps bugging me and it's Chase's reaction the the syphilis reveal. I posted way upthread that I couldn't believe that someone as private as Chase would get into it with Cameron in from of the others. It just seemed so out of character to me that he would put Cam on the spot with something so personal since it really isn't anyone's concern (except for Chase). YMMV, of course. Is it possible that Chase figured out that House was playing the ducklings and wanted to make it look real? Didn't Chase say at some point this season that he doesn't tell Cam everything? I don't know, I just don't get the point of those scenes. I'm not sure I understood the meaning of Taub's speech early in the episode. Was he saying that his wife was unfaithful to him as well? And knowing that sucks? I haven't rewatched yet.

I'm not sure I understood the meaning of Taub's speech early in the episode. Was he saying that his wife was unfaithful to him as well? And knowing that sucks? I haven't rewatched yet. I haven't rewatched yet either, but that was exactly what I got out of it...trouble in paradise. That also means that if she's unfaithful, as he was, and they separate...there's no reason he couldn't go back to plastic surgery.

In this case ... I love you guys but I think there are factions of House/Wilson shippers that are looking for every opportunity to paint Amber in a negative light because she's in between their OTP. Look at the speculation on how the clips posted last week showed how Amber was infantalizing Wilson by referring to joint custody, when it fact it was House who proposed the concept. Amber gave us plenty of help in the negative light department last night. Nothing she did or said reflected any positive, good feelings on Wilson or on her relationship with him. It was only about keeping him to herself and having her needs fulfilled. Love & Respect quickly turned to Sex & Heed Me. The infantilization was not in the proposal of joint custody of Wilson's time, in the promo clip that was clearly something that both House and Amber had agreed to, no matter who thought it up. Obvious it was going to be House, why would Amber propose sharing Wilson with anyone. It was in Amber referring to herself as "Mommy" and driving Wilson to the "play date" when he clearly is capable to have come and gone on his own. Unlike say a child. YMMV

It was great to see Kutner solve the case and prove he belongs on House's team. Until now it seemed his role was just to serve as the comic relief. Having them retread the plot where House switches his blood sample, not so great. Foreman finally got some significant scenes, but given that he is always frustrated, I wonder why he is still on the team. I think we were supposed to identify with POTW wife rather than POTW himself. We strive to be better than we are, and we need others to look up to as examples of what we wish we were. Cuddy may not have gotten House to do reviews on his staff, but she did get him to sign off on her appraisal of him. House did take a pill while bowling, so he was probably in more pain than he was otherwise letting on. C/C have an imperfect relationship because every relationship is imperfect in Houseland. As mentioned earlier in the thread, Chase's insecurities wrt to Cameron and House are not new and, for a change, demonstrate some attention to continuity. The fact that he couldn't resist bringing it up in public just shows how much it bothers him. And while both Cameron and House said they didn't sleep together in H-W, Chase knows everybody lies. I was pleasantly surprised that she wasn't more upset by his asking her about sleeping with House in front of the others. By the time they got to the scene in the doctor's lounge she seemed quite casual about the subject.

In this case ... I love you guys but I think there are factions of House/Wilson shippers that are looking for every opportunity to paint Amber in a negative light because she's in between their OTP. Look at the speculation on how the clips posted last week showed how Amber was infantalizing Wilson by referring to joint custody, when it fact it was House who proposed the concept. Amber gave us plenty of help in the negative light department last night. Nothing she did or said reflected any positive, good feelings on Wilson or on her relationship with him. It was only about keeping him to herself and having her needs fulfilled. Love & Respect quickly turned to Sex & Heed Me. YMMV And how is that different in terms of how House acted throughout the whole episode toward Wilson? If you take Amber's actions out of the context of her comments about Wilson in "Don't Ever Change," then it's easy to paint every action with a negative brush. Likewise if someone was tuning into "House" for the first time and had never seen House and Wilson's interactions previously, he'd have just as negative an image of House's actions. That's what I mean about how fandom skews reaction.

It was such a fun episode, I liked very much. I love the H/W/A triangle, it played almost exactly how I thought it would, House found a way to upsetting her and she can't change her real nature. She likes to win and she knows how to play the game, but he is a better player and she's gonna lose because she doesn't expect to lose. I wonder if ever occurred to her that if she wants love and respect she should offer the same... But I still like her, she is fun, in a creepy way. Wilson was manipulating all of them. That's my boy, being cute and adorable while ploting ways to make them to show that they care about him. And they deserved! My only doubt is about him telling Amber about the prank. I can't avoid the feeling that House was the one doing the manipulation there. He told Wilson because he knew that Wilson would tell Amber, and that she would use the information to her benefit. And then Wilson would be disappointed. But, was he? I really can't tell. In another show, Cuddy as the mediator would annoy me, but here? Makes perfect sense. Who else could do it? And she deserves some fun too! Her little scene with House was great. Thanks, whoever wrote the episode, for not making it just another sexual joke... For more thoughts I need to watch it again... The united team I supposed was significant, but I really don't care enough about any of them, not before and not now, so I think others can do a better analysis about them than I would.

Not a big fan of this episode. It was cute, but I don't want House to be cute. I don't want it to be cartoon-y and sitcom-ish with "custody fights" and game playing among adults that is completely unrealistic. I feel like I'm watching an episode of Will and Grace instead of House. I watch House for the seriousness, the drama, the complexity of the issues at hand, with some good wisecracks and awkwardness in their for humor. It's gotten too cutesy, and Id like them to cut down on the potty humor (I have to take a dump, come to the poopy side) which to be is just gross and juvenile. I feel like it's a different show now, and I don't like it. Even little things like ignoring House's bad leg to allow for "fun" situations is getting to me. Mini-golf requires a moderate amount of walking. House is shown has having trouble lifting his leg onto a chair without support or moving up steps, but he can lift is bad leg into the air and balance on the other to bowl? Things like that wouldn't bug me on Desperate Housewives or a sitcom, but I expect better from House.

Namaste wrote: If you take Amber's actions out of the context of her comments about Wilson in "Don't Ever Change," then it's easy to paint every action with a negative brush. Likewise if someone was tuning into "House" for the first time and had never seen House and Wilson's interactions previously, he'd have just as negative an image of House's actions. But the thing is we are not tuning for the first time. We know that House is capable in his own twisted way to show affection and concern - and not only towards Wilson. I didn't see any affection from Amber, she was acting like she needs win whatever game they're playing, no matter how many rules she has to break. And while I think she likes Wilson, she seems more interested in win her little tug-of-war with House. Wilson is almost an afterthought and that's what is unsettling about her - IMO.

Mini-golf requires a moderate amount of walking. Could be just me, but I saw the mini-golfing story as a ruse to get Wilson away from Amber long enough to get him drunk. And just to discuss further the ethics issues supposedly missing from the latest episodes, DS has mention recently that he recognizes that they're not there (Go check the ethics thread for the exact wording). Quite frankly, having been away this long, I'm perfectly okay with fun episodes. Given the spoilers, though, I doubt the "good times" are going to last much longer.

Mini-golf requires a moderate amount of walking. Could be just me, but I saw the mini-golfing story as a ruse to get Wilson away from Amber long enough to get him drunk. And just to discuss further the ethics issues supposedly missing from the latest episodes, DS has mention recently that he recognizes that they're not there (Go check the ethics thread for the exact wording). Quite frankly, having been away this long, I'm perfectly okay with fun episodes. Given the spoilers, though, I doubt the "good times" are going to last much longer. Agreed. While mini-golf requires some walking, we've seen many instances of House pacing up and down corridors to take his mind of his leg. Mini golf could suffice, IMO. However, we see them drinking as opposed to mini golf so... YMMV. Same with the bowling. If they weren't playing for a long time, I could see it as an activity that House could do. He can't golf, play lacrosse, or go running anymore, but I think even House needs to have some amount of normalcy in his life, doing things like everyone else, even if it causes him some pain. He'll just take more Vicodin like he always does.

In this case ... I love you guys but I think there are factions of House/Wilson shippers that are looking for every opportunity to paint Amber in a negative light because she's in between their OTP. Look at the speculation on how the clips posted last week showed how Amber was infantilizing Wilson by referring to joint custody, when it fact it was House who proposed the concept. Amber gave us plenty of help in the negative light department last night. Nothing she did or said reflected any positive, good feelings on Wilson or on her relationship with him. It was only about keeping him to herself and having her needs fulfilled. Love & Respect quickly turned to Sex & Heed Me. YMMV And how is that different in terms of how House acted throughout the whole episode toward Wilson? If you take Amber's actions out of the context of her comments about Wilson in "Don't Ever Change," then it's easy to paint every action with a negative brush. Likewise if someone was tuning into "House" for the first time and had never seen House and Wilson's interactions previously, he'd have just as negative an image of House's actions. That's what I mean about how fandom skews reaction. I'm perfectly capable of having an opinion as a viewer without fandom skewing my reaction or perceptions, thanks very much. House did leave Wilson and Amber on their own as he said he would at the end of DEC. It's the reason he was bowling with Chase. But when he got the idea from Chase about asking for time with Wilson, even Wilson declared it reasonable, while Amber called it crazy and demanded Wilson talk to him. Later she called Wilson a wuss in front of two of his colleagues who are also his friends. The only "term of endearment" we heard from her all night. I never saw Wilson laugh or really smile in her presence. Not one time. Amber aimed her nastiness at both House and Wilson. House reserved his solely for Amber. We saw House & Wilson laugh & enjoy each other’s company even while both probably had ulterior motives, neither every works on only one level, and show true emotion at the thought that perhaps they were now not able to be as close as they had previously been. Please point to one example where anything like that transpired between Amber & Wilson or was even mentioned has having taken place between them recently. I'm not taking Amber's actions out of context of her DEC remarks. I'm putting them in context of those remarks and the actions do not live up to her words. That's a shame for both her and Wilson. I think a first time viewer last night would have seen a guy missing his friend who has less time for him now that he is dating a woman and looking to get some of that time back. While the woman insists on strigent time tables and will violate the trust of her boyfriend in an effort to mess up his friend and not worry what that says about her.

As I said earlier in this thread, filex I also see that what is happening with Amber -- as reflected by David Shore's comments on the inability to change -- is that she's battling with her desire to change with the difficulty in changing, especially when that means giving in. I'm not saying that she's an innocent who's being maligned. I'm saying that fandom, in general, overthinks and overanalyzes every word and action. It's why I've been staying away from various sites -- or not commenting -- because it's simply not fun. (Witness the wank this weekend on LJ) And yes, a lot of the time, there's a lot in "House" that is worth dissecting and reconsidering and rethinking. And sometimes it's just a fun scene -- at least in my view. I, personally, found Amber butting heads with House to be funny while also reflecting her established reputation. The original question was whether the non-fandom world would enjoy seeing the H/W/A interaction. I was attempting to say that I think they will (and in fact early recaps back that up), but also that they're watching it for different things, with a different point of view, and taking away different elements than does an intense fan. To put it simply: Yes, mileage varies. And: We saw House & Wilson laugh & enjoy each other’s company even while both probably had ulterior motives, neither every works on only one level, and show true emotion at the thought that perhaps they were now not able to be as close as they had previously been. Please point to one example where anything like that transpired between Amber & Wilson or was even mentioned has having taken place between them recently. Since we've never seen Wilson and Amber in a private moment without House in which they could just enjoy each other's company, that's kind of a moot point.

As I said earlier in this thread, filex I also see that what is happening with Amber -- as reflected by David Shore's comments on the inability to change -- is that she's battling with her desire to change with the difficulty in changing, especially when that means giving in. I'm not saying that she's an innocent who's being maligned. I'm saying that fandom, in general, overthinks and overanalyzes every word and action. It's why I've been staying away from various sites -- or not commenting -- because it's simply not fun. (Witness the wank this weekend on LJ) I, personally, found Amber butting heads with House to be funny while also reflecting her established reputation. The original question was whether the non-fandom world would enjoy seeing the H/W/A interaction. I was attempting to say that I think they will (and in fact early recaps back that up), but also that they're watching it for different things, with a different point of view, and taking away different elements than does an intense fan. To put it simply: Yes, mileage varies. I wasn't questioning you saying that people outside fandom would find the H/W/A storyline enjoyable. I'm sure many will, some won't, depending on where their interests in the show lie overall. You don't need a ship for one aspect or certain characters of the show to interest you more than others. But in making that point you castigated the shipper sect as being unable to watch the show as presented without twisting it to their bent and that is with what I was taking issue. The point is people in general who are viewing Amber negatively are not wrong or skewed because of some ship, it is becasue that is how she is being presented. No overthinking needed. No struggle to try and change, no effort at all, was shown. The moment a reasonable request for Wilson to have time with his friend is presented and she completely succumbed to her basic ways. No hesitation. Shipper's vision or DS's interview lexis, which I'm sure most of the viewing audience is also unaware of, not necessary to see that. It also doesn't answer your later posed question of how is that different in terms of how House acted throughout the whole episode toward Wilson? But that's fine.

I don't want to get into a fight over a matter of mileage. Sorry if I generalized, but then I've seen one too many comments in other communities (especially House/Wilson communities) on how people will have to vomit if they're forced to watch Wilson and Amber kissing.

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