4.12 Don't Ever Change

As far as the House and Wilson thing, my interpretation of things is probably different from most of the ones I've read here, since I don't think either one is in love with the other. I think they love each other as friends. I think House's desire to be the most important person (he is obsessive) and his desire for Wilson not to be hurt were in play. To me, this was a call back to the pilot where Wilson said House's actions shows he cares. And, it's going to be so nice to bring this up to my mom when she talks about Big Bad House and poor widdle Wilson. And, I don't think things will be all that sad for House. People in relationships still have best friends. It'll just be different. He'll adjust. ITA on this, Bessie Mae, They are friends and love each other like brothers, looking out for each other behind a steady stream of sarcasm and games. Recently Wilson said he was walking just because he knew it would hurt House. Here, he tells him he may lose his best friend (I thought he meant it. He's been distancing himself from House more and more. Losing the ducks at the end of S3 and not falling apart showed growth for House. Really losing Wilson would be an opportunity for same kind of growth, but even more so.) BTW, someone upthread (joking or not? I dunno) was reluctant to voice a non-hoyay opinion. I wouldn't worry about it. I think it's ok with the zilllion h-w shippers around here for those of us who disagree to voice that opinion. (They'll just ignore us and go on dreaming their happy dream ;->) So 13 with Cuddy? with Cam? with Terzi? with Chase? with both Chase and Cameron (Cam didn't seem averse to a threesome IIRC)... nah, gotta be Stacey: they can do pretty eyes at each other. -I STILL believe the old team will come back to him, maybe not exactly as it was before but that to me was clear with the bit with Chase tonight. Earlier this season, Chase told House that he'd be willing to help and that all House had to do was ask. Tonight, House asked him and Chase did. Yep, I think they are coming back as well, though obviously not as fellows. My predictions are that Kutner will burn something down or explode something so outrageous that he has to go; 13 will have an unfortunate fling with some who has power over her and who is then uncomfortable to have her around (and 13 seems mighty uncomfortable in this job); and Taub will come clean to his wife and go back to plastic surgery where he really wants to be. In other words, they will all change by realizing that this is not what they really wanted out of life and they will revert to their authentic selves. (Except maybe CTB. If she and Wilson break up, it might amuse House to hire her then.) House will then have the old ducks part of the time and he'll still have to hire a new group. Can't do reality shows again, but some sort of meta Houseian process...craigslist perhaps...

I don't think House is going to lose Wilson. Whichever way a person views the relationship (and despite my opinion of Wilson) it's an important relationship to the show. Wilson said that according to House's "see everything in the worst possible light" viewpoint, allowing him a relationship would mean he could lose a friend, but I didn't take it as he was telling him he would. I also believe House when he said he wasn't going to be self sacrificing. I think he's just not going to try and sabotage Wilson and CTB, not that he's going to bow out of spending time with him. He's accepting the possibility that Wilson will make the decision to choose CTB over him (not that it has to be either or) and he's allowing the possibility by not doing anything to break them up. But, as long as Wilson doesn't sever ties, he's going to make sure he still has his place. It just may be smaller than he's demanded before.

More comments on the episode itself later but I'm pleased to announce that filex1410 was the grand prize winner in the "WTF with WILBER spoiler speculation game!" I just re-read her most prescient submission and while it wasn't 100% accurate, it was pretty darn close and hit most of the correct thematic points. Way to go filex! You are now the proud owner of "The L Word: Complete Season 3." I'll drop you a PM and you can tell me where you want it shipped. It's late, I'm tired, I'm Obamarama'd out. More to say later. ETA: Actually, I just want to know a few random, disconnected things before signing out: 1. Cuddy pushing back on House = good. (Actually Cuddy's hair this episode = good. Somethings that is hit or miss.) But Cuddy having an opinion about Wilson and his relationships = WTF? And I got whiplash with the turnaround of it all. Unless, of course, she really is doing House's bidding. 2. Would love to know why/how Foreman deduced 13's latest boring revelation. Why did his mind go immediately there? And why did he confront her with it while keying the mic to the MRI machine so the patient could hear? Was that shades of Ellen announcing to the whole subway station that she was gay? 3. Why must Taub put me to sleep so? His on-screen presence just makes me drowsy. He's like a sleeping taub-let. 4. I adored House and Wilson this episode, though probably not for the same reason that the majority of people here do. Oh well, that is fine and as it should be. 5. Do JM and JS have new contracts that stipulate that they can't be on set at the same time anymore, if at all possible? 6. Why must this show have dragged me through 9 episodes of "meh" to finally drop me off at a place I want to be just in time for....big, long, insufferable break? 7. What, exactly, is Foreman's job these days? I'm not sure I get it. I mean, I guess I can see why he was installed there but it doesn't seem to come up in any sort of dramatic way and by this point it seems implausible and weird that he would just consent to being....there. Foreman used to be a pretty ambitious guy.

Why yes, I did just finish this chapter of my textbook today.Thanks for sharing your well timed acquisition of knowledge Vitawash99 I sort of expected this thread to be like 15 pages by now. Are people just feeling speechless? I know I've posted quite a few times on this thread, but I do feel speechless. Most of my posts have been questions, and I feel like there is a lot to think about. I've watched twice now, and I'm still quietly musing on this. I can't believe that they went as far as they did in acknowledging the love so blatantly. I love it. I feel the same way NightOwl I just came back from rewatching the H/W and Amber stuff. It does leave one at a loss for words and there is a lot to process. So maybe folks need time. Maybe they are all glued to the TV's for Super Tuesday results, the one that don't concern H&W. On rewatch I was confused by one exchange, H/W were in the hall when he was saying that he agreed with House that he is dating him. Near the end Wilson says, "Everytime I agree with you change the argument, what are you hiding? House just stares and Wilson makes the comment that if he wasn't already seeing someone... What did Wilson mean? Was House hiding something? Or was it just dawning on House that he was so right about the situation that he was not going to be able to disuade Wilson? Did it remind House that when he confronted Amber with all of her ulterior motivies that she kept agreeing with him until he shot them down? Sensing some connection between W/A, something they do share. Is that why he then called Amber to come in and give himself one more chance to prove that she wasn't sincere or let her convince him that she was which she did? Maybe it is just too late and I am now way overthinking. ETA, Holy shit bailey you must be kidding... :lol: Considering how far afield I took my recent wank on Amber using Wilson to get back at House it's funny that my initial guess turned out close. Now I have to go reread it to remind myself of it all. Thank you so very much for generously running the challenge. It was a fun idea and helped fill the wait until the show returned. You are a sweetie. I hope there is a website that has synopsizes of "The L word" I've got some catching up to do. :wink: Re. you thought on Cuddy. Someone said that they thought that Cuddy was playing bad cop to House's eventual good cop. I think it may be that with her own checkered personal life, of which we have no real details, Cuddy can see the less optimistic prospects of a seemingly mismatched pair in conjunction with Wilson's relationship pattern and decided to lay it on the line. She and Wilson finally became closer friends at the end of last season and I think she felt she owed it to him to be blunt. She did the same thing w/ Cam when she started w/ Chase also at House's more subtle prompting. She offered the rosy scenario, you'll end up married and happy, and the darker one, someone will get hurt, it will be a mess, I will have to fire one of you. The latter came close to coming true, now maybe the former has a chance. The only difference is that was more of a boss thing and there she gave them at least a shot at being good together. But those two combined have less baggage than Wilson.

On rewatch I was confused by one exchange, H/W were in the hall when he was saying that he agreed with House that he is dating him. Near the end Wilson says, "Everytime I agree with you change the argument, what are you hiding? House just stares and Wilson makes the comment that if he wasn't already seeing someone... What did Wilson mean? Was House hiding something? Or was it just dawning on House that he was so right about the situation that he was not going to be able to disuade Wilson? Did it remind House that when he confronted Amber with all of her ulterior motivies that she kept agreeing with him until he shot them down? Sensing some connection between W/A, something they do share. Is that why he then called Amber to come in and give himself one more chance to prove that she wasn't sincere or let her convince him that she was which she did? Wilson said in reaction to House's stare that he would do him if he weren't already involved. If you recall what Cate said about Wilson - You got a perfect score. So why are you friends with House? Maybe you're not as nice as you seem. I love my baby Wilson but what he said to House smacked of cruelty. Wilson is on a high right now. He's confident and happy. But House has affirmed neither Wilson or Amber has changed so they maybe have another month together. Then it's all going to come crashing down. I believe that House is in love with Wilson which was made pretty clear in House's declaration when he went to Wilson's office "I've decided you could do worse than a female proxy for me" House attraction to Wilson is emotional and physical. They jsut aven't consummated their relationship physically. And outing 13's bisexuality was a nod to House's.

I have to say, I was utterly astonished when Chase walked out on the differential. (<sniff> Our boy is growing up so fast.) And quite pleased to see him walk back in with a plan to help save the woman’s life.

I am seriously shipping Thirteen and Cuddy. We know Cuddy's given up on her baby dream and resigned herself to being alone - and lonely. The few times we've seen her testing the waters with men (blind date, Wilson) it wasn't out of passion, but pragmatism: to have kids, to not be miserably alone. How wonderful would it be to see her have a relationship with someone who knows what it's like in her world (independent, professional woman), who also has to deal with House, who has the same cares and concerns? Really. I'm not a man, so I'm not shipping them for "hot chicks!" reasons. I can seriously see potential there, and IMO it would be much more interesting to see that play out than to see another tired House/Cuddy dance which will end the same way it's always ended.

5. Do JM and JS have new contracts that stipulate that they can't be on set at the same time anymore, if at all possible? I think there are two reasons she wasn't in the episode. First, they couldn't find a use for her. Second, she was filming that movie. I highly doubt that Jesse or Jennifer are unprofessional enough to not want to be on set together, given the number of scenes they've had together as a couple post break-up anyway.

So, was the "outing" of 13 a nod towards House's bisexuality? I'd be curious to see what everyone thinks. I think the wink was pretty conspiratorial, but then again he could just be saying 'yes, I really did mean 'do it both ways' in THAT way'. And also, how the hell did he even catch wind of 13's bisexuality? Is Foreman a total gossip and lied to 13? House knows all. He knew all about Cuddy trying to get pregnant before she came to him to ask with help on genetics. He knew about Chase/Cam before he found them in the janitor's closet. He knew Wilson was seeing *someone,* just didn't know it was Amber. So it didn't surprise me when he said that to 13. Or Foreman has a big mouth. :lol:

He loves Wilson enough to let him go, to get him away from him, but by letting Wilson have someone else rather than taking himself out of the picture. Yes. I don't think this is the final event of House's self-destruction but nor do I think he'll try to kill himself. I, like others, think this will lead to a ONS with Cuddy, pure speculation on my part. To be clear, I don't think he WILL lose Wilson. I agree, not only would that be a very bad decision on TPTB's part (a mistake I can't see them making twice) but I think based on Wilson's reaction at the end that he's not leaving House. He said House could lose a friend but he also said that only because House always puts the worst possible spin on things, Wilson doesn't think this will happen. Besides, some people (myself included) have felt that all of House's little efforts this year to show Wilson he cares have been lost on Wilson. This one wasn't. I think Wilson was shocked but ultimately (based on his smile at the end) that House did something for Wilson. I think Wilson was more likely to leave if House had kept up his selfishness about the relationship. House took a positive step and Wilson got it.

By the way I am still in the House and Wilson as just very close friends camp. Maybe I'm just being stubborn. :D I'm in that camp with you, angelcat. I can't see either House or Wilson as gay or bi, but their friendship is the best thing about this show to me. I do hope that TPTB don't hook up 13 with a main female character. That's heading into OC territory, in my opinion. -I STILL believe the old team will come back to him, maybe not exactly as it was before but that to me was clear with the bit with Chase tonight. Earlier this season, Chase told House that he'd be willing to help and that all House had to do was ask. Tonight, House asked him and Chase did. I'm hoping the groundwork has been laid for both Chase and Cameron's return to the team. We knew that Cameron missed her old job, and last night gave us proof that Chase's heart is still there as well.

Either way, they definitely love each other and are not "just friends." Well, friends love each other. Or, is it the "just" part that's the important word in the sentence? Speaking for myself, it is possible to believe that these two are the closest of friends, closer than brothers -- soulmates if you want -- or even say that they love each other without believing that they absolutely positively must be gay or bisexual and are about to get into a physical relationship. I have nothing against the slash in fandom and I read plenty of it in fanfic, but I don't think that in canon -- either in this episode or elsewhere -- it's an absolute given that they'll have a "Big Gay Wilson" reveal or that House will be revealed to be bisexual. And thanks, sherlock and sasmom. I'm fully aware of how balanced and how respectful the show has treated religions in the past, but I know you had expressed some concern about how it would treat the subset of Hasidic Judaism in particular.

I just finished watching the ep and I can't really decide as to what emotional state I'm in right now. I am ecsatic because of all the H/W love and yes, I almost exploded in their scene in the hallway and the "Why not date you?". On the other hand, I'm depressed because this is it, it's over and I don't think I can make it till September,really I don't. :( I loved the ep almost as much as Frozen. The PotW was interesting, Kutner was-once again- adorable,Chase was gorgeous and I loved his scene and House saying they need him. Still not remotely interested in 13 though. I'm so happy for Wilson and relieved to know that Amber is not using him. I don't think Amber is a threat for House. Maybe Wlson will focus on her for a while, but at the end of the day he knows he belongs with House. After all, they "keep coming back". House leaving his feelings aside for Wilson's happiness, nearly killed me. I know it was the right thing to do, but it broke my heart. A part of me wanted to yell "No! Don't give up, fight for him" or something equally ridiculous. But I agree that if he'd kept pushing, Wilson may have snapped and that's never a good thing. At least now, not even my brother can deny that they love each other as more than friends. I thought I would never get him to see it. A big thanks to those who explained the "Shabbat Shalom". I had no idea what that was. One last thing. The season ending on Wilson smiling..?Show some mercy people!! *flatline*

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