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Bessie Mae- 10-23-2007

Cole finally showed some backbone tonight, and lived to see another week as a reward. I think House respected him more for it, which is why he didn't seem to begrudge handing Cameron the $100 for the most part. Yeah, and Cole knew he gained House's respect. Didn't even seem worried that he wouldn't get a flower. Did Cameron know that she won the bet beforehand, or did House pay up without her knowing it? And, does anyone on this show mind their own business?

MaryIsobel- 10-23-2007

Sound like any oncologists we know? Really, it's hard to be mad at Cameron for these things when Wilson does the same. (thinks) No I take that back, Wilson has never interfered with House's fellows unless they were calling newspapers to report professional athletes for using drugs. But I could totally see him doing the bet thing for kicks. Well, except for that pesky little fact that Wilson is actually House's friend, who House seeks out and whose office House hides out in! Wilson is all in House's business because he is House's friend; Cameron on the other hand is clearly attempting to insert herself into Wilson's role without being invited. She basically admitted she's trying to be Wilson when she said that thing about does Wilson mind when you do that thing in the cafeteria. In defense of House re turning out unemployable fellows, at least in Foreman and Cameron's cases, House did turn them out--they both left before he considered he was done with them. Isn't it? Foreman's potential boss said maybe he didn't leave House soon enough but I think he left him too soon. Not sure that staying till House though he was ready would have made him more employable to the person who fired him and the ones who wouldn't hire him though....?

amysusanne- 10-23-2007

That is never what I wanted her to be. I don't think I knew you back in season one, but point taken. It doesn't negate that that was a popular opinion, though. What I want is for her to mind her own d*mn business. Got it. Yes, she wasn't doing anything Wilson doesn't do but Wilson is his best friend. Cameron is not, nor is she his girlfriend, nor does she even work for him. Right now all she is, is a former duckling who's following him around and intefering with his underlings. Seems to me that she was initially in his office at his request. And I think it's pretty clear that their new status as workers *not* under House's reign of terror is going to be used to develop different relationships between them and House. Foreman and House are being set up to be reluctant colleagues. Cameron is being set up as a friend of sorts. I haven't figured out what Chase is being set up as yet, but there's clearly tension there that needs to be broken soon and no doubt will be. Where that will leave them, I have no idea. And, does anyone on this show mind their own business? Not that I've seen. Some just get away with it easier than others.

Poeia- 10-23-2007

This is how they can keep ROF legitimately: PPTH is a teaching hospital which means it is a part of a medical school. ROF spent 30 years as a senior administrator at a medical school. Cuddy should hire ROF immediately so House can hang out in his office when he wants to hide from Cuddy or pick his brain. :D If she's willing to rehire Foreman, ROF should be a no-brainer because he is a good balance to House's mania. Cuddy can never keep a secretary. Hire ROF and she'll have someone who is a good administrator, knows medicine and can handle House. And I'm sure she could find some way for him to be involved in the medicine. Re Cameron, I don't really have a problem with her being curious about House. He's certainly nosy enough about her and the rest of his staff. She has stepped over the line from inquisitive to interfering in the past -- dinner with his parents, breaking into his apartment in Half-Wit because she wanted to know why he was going to Boston and again to wake him up. (House condones breaking and entering to get a diagnosis, not as a hobby.) But this time she was interferring with people's lives. If she succeeds in making Cole interesting enough that House keeps him, then someone else is let go as a result. (And I thought she was smug about the idea that she could manipulate the situation like that. While I don't think JM is a bad actress, I don't see much difference between "smug" and "amused" with her.) And I don't get the "he has a child so he doesn't work nights" thing. How did he get through his residency or his previous fellowship. If House only hires 3 fellows, do the others each have to do 50% more nights and on-calls so he can work regular hours? Every doctor I know who had a child while they were still doing their training had really good child care (and a backup). And, if they continued working in acute care, they still have an au pair, nanny or some other live-in help after they're attendings.

Bessie Mae- 10-23-2007

Cameron on the other hand is clearly attempting to insert herself into Wilson's role without being invited. She basically admitted she's trying to be Wilson when she said that thing about does Wilson mind when you do that thing in the cafeteria. I didn't see that as an admission of anything on Cameron's part. Who else would House do that thing in the cafeteria (I don't remember what she said either) with? It's not like this is something he does to everyone, because he hardly spends time with anyone else. If House didn't hang around basically one person, Cameron's line could have been "Do you do that with everyone?"

amysusanne- 10-23-2007

And I don't get the "he has a child so he doesn't work nights" thing. How did he get through his residency or his previous fellowship. If House only hires 3 fellows, do the others each have to do 50% more nights and on-calls so he can work regular hours? I doubt it. He got through previous stages of his medical career, most likely, with help. I think he's not only looking for stability now (which isn't what he's going to find with House, but he probably didn't realize that going into it), but has probably found that it's hit the point where he's laying down his own ground rules and will see how things turn out. Likewise, House is feeling them all out as well. He's seeing how they work, when they work, why they work, etc. If he wants Cole on the team, Cole will have to change because even if House had some sort of human moment and *thought* he was going to work around the kid he still wouldn't. House will never do that, even if he wants to do that. But, as it is, House seems to be letting them settle into themselves and he'll see where that gets them. Cole can stand up to him, Taub can get competitive and whine, Amber can stab people in the back...and House will watch. I didn't see that as an admission of anything on Cameron's part. Who else would House do that thing in the cafeteria (I don't remember what she said either) with? It's not like this is something he does to everyone, because he hardly spends time with anyone else. If House didn't hang around basically one person, Cameron's line could have been "Do you do that with everyone?" Exactly. It was a reminder that House has one friend and only one friend, but it didn't have the usual edge that it has in the past. In this case, it was more matter of fact and not designed as some sort of point.

310Daisy- 10-23-2007

himmelblau: I disagree that Cam was likeable in this episode. Unless Cuddy has specifically asked her to keep an eye on House and the goings-on between him and the candidates, she was incredibly out-of-line to butt in the way she did. It's none of her d*mn business, she's an attending in the ER and should stay down there, sewing up drunks and mending old ladies. House was right, what he said to her in the cafeteria. She's a control freak and wishes she were still on the team and reading House's mail. Why House puts up with this crap I have no idea. I suppose it would come across as whining to Mommy if he told Cuddy what her ER attending is doing on her coffee breaks. Smugness hardly covers how she would smile at House, and her scene with Cole as he got on the elevator smacked of desperation to make sure the outcome of the bet was favorable for her. And the furtive glance around to make sure that no one saw them...Yeah, she was super in this ep. *rolls eyes* I was beginning to think I was the only one! She can't stop sticking her nose in House's business! I'm glad that House is aware of this, as indicated by House asking Cameron about her agenda, and telling her that she misses going through his mail, can’t stop trying to control him, and wants her old job back. I think he’s got her number, so to speak. It’s almost pathetic to watch her try to use the potential fellows to get House’s attention. Clearly she’s still hung up on him, and that’s why she’s hanging around the PPTH ER. I thought she came across as childish and smarmy when she leaned on House’s desk and walked away smug near the end. I felt like I was watching "Saved by the Bell" - the high school years - as she desperately tried to flirt with him and get his attention. himmelblau: Cam definitely could be becoming HouseStalker, though. I can't wait to see which candidate she tries to 'save' next week. *rolls eyes again* I thought Cameron passed HouseStalker already when she went into House's bedroom when he was sleeping and seductively ran her hand along the footboard. *shiver*

jdr1184- 10-23-2007

Cameron makes my teeth hurt, but I thought she looked cute in the pink scrubs. I would have been fine with her in this ep if her time was cut in half and given to Wilson. Foreman needs to die, die, die. Cameron should not be able to give pep talks and I'll miss the Old Fraud even though his departure was really obvious. House needs someone to disagrees. I thought it was an okay ep with a few creepy parts, but I've never been a fan of the POtW or her bad accent.

LogicalLilly- 10-23-2007

But this time she was interferring with people's lives. If she succeeds in making Cole interesting enough that House keeps him, then someone else is let go as a result. It wasn't so much making Cole "interesting" as letting him know that he didn't have to take House's abuse in order to keep himself in the running for the job. (Or does his religion ask him to turn the other cheek? I really don't know about the Mormon faith.) I found House's comments to Cole very unfunny and I loved it when Cole made a little smartass comment to House just before he received the flower.

LightMyCandle- 10-23-2007

Hmm, I have rethought my original "well that was okay" standpoint of this ep. I am now terrified that they're going to make Cameron the new Wilson and to be honest I feel a little sick about it. I guess what I originally meant to say was that Wilson's scene was great and everything else sucked.

olivia720- 10-23-2007

This ep didn't exactly rock my world. But I did love the beat down administered by mormon black guy. He had it coming for smacking chase last season. My fav scene was H lying on Wilson's couch. H in reclining positions is good. I was disappointed that Reina wasn't seeing the real ghost of grandpa House. That would've been cool.

amysusanne- 10-23-2007

I thought Cameron passed HouseStalker already when she went into House's bedroom when he was sleeping and seductively ran her hand along the footboard. *shiver* She seduced the hell out of that footboard, too! Except, in reality what happened was that the director tried (and failed) to add suspense as to who was in House's bedroom by only showing the hands which were being used as a guide for someone who was walking into a dark room that we've all previously seen is littered with crap on the floor. Hands guided along footboards equals not falling on your ass while you make it to the correct side of the bed. The rest is open to debate, but given that House was asleep and Cameron knew that House was asleep I have no idea why, had she wanted to seduce House, she would have wasted valuable seducing time on that footboard.

Poeia- 10-23-2007

Also...I can't really tell if the whole "Omar Epps is blackmailing David Shore" thing is meant as a joke...sorry my bad if I'm taking it too seriously...but if it's not meant as a joke I really think it's not cool to go there. Foreman takes his share of character abuse but that trashes the actor a little which isn't really cool...is it? Maybe I just totally lost my sense of humor...but it doesn't seem right or fair. I thought it was obvious that I meant it as a joke. It's just that I find TPTB's fascination with OE/Foreman inexplicable. Foreman's positives: I'll have to get back to you on that. Foreman's negatives: *He routinely opposes House medically. But rarely is it for medical reasons -- he does it solely to contradict House. (My objection to his opposing House personally is based on the fact that I like House and I don't like Foreman. Medically is a different matter.) *He has committed intellectual theft. *He has purposely tried to infect a colleague with a potentially fatal illness. *His main focus when working for House is to prove that he is as good a doctor. *If he is hired as an attending, he will be less under House's control and, based on his track record of not coming up with that many diagnoses, could potentially do real harm. Omar Epp's positives: He is a competent actor who can reel off lines of medical jargon as well as anyone (he is frequently the one who has to explain the procedures to the patient or family.) He's good at "light" scenes. Omar Epp's negatives: When giving a big, emotional scene (e.g. Euphoria part II), he grabs everything on the set that is not nailed down and starts munching (aka "chewing the scenery" or "ham.") And, if Foreman is being hired in the Diagnostics Department we are going to have at least as much of him as in the past (which was already substantially more than we had of Chase or Cameron) and much less of them.

310Daisy- 10-23-2007

amysusanne: I enjoyed Cameron playing House's game because aside from the fact that she's actually working with his best interest in mind, she was also the Cameron that season one, anti-House/Cameron people wanted her to be. Or, at the very least, pretended that they wanted her to be. She was the friend/female Wilson rather than the "love interest". I fail to see how Cameron's manipulative antics were in any way in House's best interest. In my opinion, she is looking for ways to get back at him for rejecting her and jumped on the opportunity to use one of the new fellow candidates to meet her goal. House seems to know this, too, as he asked her who she was going to "protect" next... Also, I have been anti-House/Cameron since the date in "Love Hurts" and I never wanted Cameron to be anything more than one of the three fellows/underlings who works for House. I didn't want her to become a friend, confidant, or anything of the sort. amysusanne: Hands guided along footboards equals not falling on your ass while you make it to the correct side of the bed. The rest is open to debate, but given that House was asleep and Cameron knew that House was asleep I have no idea why, had she wanted to seduce House, she would have wasted valuable seducing time on that footboard. Okay, you make a good point. :) I still loathed that scene, though.

Bessie Mae- 10-23-2007

She seduced the hell out of that footboard, too! *snort* No piece of furniture is safe from Cameron. I fail to see how Cameron's manipulative antics were in any way in House's best interest. In my opinion, she is looking for ways to get back at him for rejecting her and jumped on the opportunity to use one of the new fellow candidates to meet her goal. If she's looking for ways to get back at House, I don't see how betting that someone isn't going to put up with his behavior is doing it. Unless the $100 really hit House where it hurt. House got a game -Prove that the Mormon is too weak to stand up to him game- a chance at winning money for said game (if Cole hadn't finally had enough)- and the chance to make someone his whipping dog for the sake of winning the bet. Throw in a few hookers and a lifetime supply of Vicodin and it would be Christmas for House. If Cameron's trying to get back at him, she picked a poor way of doing it.