And if your new employer finds out that you lied about your employment history in your application that is legally grounds for immediate dismissal. Spinning the reason for leaving was the way to go, but leaning back, smiling smugly and saying you were fired for saving a patient's life is not a good spin. You've just told your potential boss that you're going to be a problem. No one puts down every job they have ever had. Almost everyone has had a job where for whatever reason it didn't work. There are also long breaks in people's employment that maybe had to do with illness or family rason school etc. While spinning would be necessary in those cases a one month break would not necessaryly have to be explained. A larger red flag and one House rightly cvalls Foreman on is why after spending three years with one teams does he use Dr. Marty as a reference? What does that say about this employee that he doesn't use his current co-workers or boss as a reference. Who better to judge ones skills, someone you worked with years ago or someone you worked with immediately Yes, there are those times you are looking for a job and don't want your employer to know, but Foreman is not in this category. He has announced his intentions to leave, he has made his job search open yet he still uses a reference from three years prior. That to me is a larger red flag than a gap in employment.

This has been bothering me. In The Right Stuff, House said he is financing having 40 fellows by cutting the permanent salaries of the three he keeps by 10% over 3 years. (Of course, that's absurd as budgets have to balance at the end of every year.) In Guardian Angels, didn't Cuddy say she was cutting their salaries by 15% to pay for hiring Foreman back? If you compound them, that's a 23.5% pay cut for the fellows who stay on. I know it's a privilege to work for House, but there are also real drawbacks. You'd almost expect Cuddy to pay a premium for people willing to put up with him, not for them to make only three-quarters of what people in comparable positions make. Plus, when they were hired, they would have received contracts from Human Resources. I assume House had the salaries minus the 10% and all the contingencies of being weeded out built into the contracts. How can Cuddy say "you know that salary in your signed contract? We're cutting it."

It's further evidence that Cuddy is an idiot when it comes to running the hospital effectively. It's like her world revolves around House. Given his reputation, the way we're led to believe that no one could stay with him long, and the fact that his last three employees were cleared out at the same time via two resignations and a firing, I can't imagine why anyone would even WANT to compete for these positions at a reduced salary. Are we supposed to believe that the pre-CCF fellows who didn't stay long managed to get great positions based on their short stints with House when the two who stayed with House longest can't even get jobs in Diagnostics departments? What is the benefit to the Numbers of working with House? Who has worked with House before and gone on to reap the benefits? It certainly hasn't been his most longsuffering employees.

House signalled that Chase was ready to find another diagnostics job by firing him. As Taub noted in the episode, maybe with House it looks better on your resume to be fired than to quit. Maybe House is aware of that and was doing Chase a double favor when he fired him -- pushing him out of the nest while also giving him the clean slated needed for his career as he goes forward.

It also highlights that there is some degree of sense in terms of professional development to Chase staying at PPTH after the firing. Unlike Foreman, he's got a "yeah, I got fired by that idiot House, but Cuddy backed me & kept me on & I've had a productive stint in surgery as an attending now" & then he moves on post-House with both Cuddy's support & whom ever is his supervisor's in surgery as a reference to maybe a more ddx type position in a way Foreman is clearly struggling to do. ETA - yes, my job includes HR :wink:

Of course it also helps that neither Chase nor Cameron seem to have expected to go directly from fellow to department head. They are willing to be attendings within a department. Foreman seems to think he's ready to run everything.

Of course it also helps that neither Chase nor Cameron seem to have expected to go directly from fellow to department head. They are willing to be attendings within a department. Foreman seems to think he's ready to run everything. True, except for when he told Cuddy he wasn't - it's confusing. A larger red flag and one House rightly cvalls Foreman on is why after spending three years with one teams does he use Dr. Marty as a reference? What does that say about this employee that he doesn't use his current co-workers or boss as a reference. Cameron was willing to provide a peer reference, I bet he got a reference from Cuddy too, and as with this point As Taub noted in the episode, maybe with House it looks better on your resume to be fired than to quit. It's House. He's clearly infamous, I don't think that employers would think twice about it. One question, though: why are people assuming that you have to put on your resume that you were fired vs quitting? I was wondering the same thing about the salary cuts, Poeia, especially since the original salaries were once described as "lousy". I also can't see why these fellowships are so sought after when the former fellows can't even get jobs in their fields afterwards. What's even more puzzling to me is House deducing that Brennan wants to job because "it's in the right zip code". You're telling me that he couldn't get a job in Princeton that didn't involve working for a maniac?

For me the key is the moment in Fetal Position when the ducklings are so amazed to see the photo of House with his guard down. I doubt that Wilson would have been surprised by that photo. While House is developing relationships of varying kinds with a number of people, none of them are going to replace his friendship with Wilson. One of my favorite Wilson quotes is from "Human Error," regarding Foreman: "He's not afraid to be you, he's afraid to be who he thinks you are." I agree with what others have said, re: Foreman being an egotistical bastard. So is House, obviously, but while Foreman is smart he's not a genius like House, something he can't recognize.

One question, though: why are people assuming that you have to put on your resume that you were fired vs quitting? I don't think I (we) am - I know you don't have to (or that you get RIFed), BUT its an absolutely standard question to be asked "why did you leave/are you considering leaving" your last/current position & Foreman ought to know he's going to get asked this, particularly since it seems like its a fairly close community. Foreman's boss & Cuddy clearly talked (the girls talk reference), the guys Foreman then interviews with have some info. And I can't imagine anyone who works for House ever not being asked the "did he fire you or did you quit & what idiocy did House commit now?" question. Cameron was willing to provide a peer reference, I bet he got a reference from Cuddy too This is purely fanwank, but I wonder what Cameron would write (he tried to stab me with an infected needle & he ripped off my paper?). And Cuddy's trying to retain him, so no matter what she might write, there's always the issue of what she then says privately to a hiring manager (there's the code phrase - please call me if you have any questions - which is a tip off to make the call).

I wonder what Cameron would write (he tried to stab me with an infected needle & he ripped off my paper?) That's what she SHOULD do!

Quote: I wonder what Cameron would write (he tried to stab me with an infected needle & he ripped off my paper?) That's what she SHOULD do! Now that would be an award worthy episode

On rewatch: I'm thinking that House really did mean that bit about "there are no bad choices in this group" -- that he really would keep all of them that are left if he could. Interesting point about his mental state/emotional availability if it's true. Also a bit odd, since I was thinking last week that he was doing the speakerphone thing to put distance between them and take a break from being surrounded by so many people all the time. No reason both can't be true, though. I'm glad someone earlier mentioned House coming up with the solution before Amber; I was specifically looking for that this time, and I think the earlier poster was right. House is the one who mentioned the mushrooms that sparked the idea for Amber, he didn't seem particularly surprised or chagrinned that she had come up with the answer before he did, and I would like to believe that House wouldn't have ignored the case to harass Cole if he didn't know he had the answer already. But -- there also wasn't any epiphany moment, or any conclusive evidence that he had the answer first. I understood the reasoning that House wouldn't want to keep Scooter around because he was thinking too much like House. But Taub was arguing with Scooter and House said that was productive, so now I'm thinking House will want Taub to stick around. Ah well, he's still not interesting or likable but at least he's more so than Brennan or Kutner. Brennan must have done something interesting offscreen for House to have kept him around this long; we need fanfic to explain it! And I desperately want Cole-and-his-baby fanfic. I was trying really hard to see something likable in Cuddy's actions this time around, and still not finding anything. Foreman's "certain conditions" weren't reasonable, and she's not doing him any favors by allowing him to think they were. She's still wrong to try to hire him back into House's department without warning House first. And I don't see any reason to believe she wasn't serious in their first scene about cutting the others' salaries to give him a raise; she only changed her mind when time showed that she wouldn't need that enticement. And I don't see any evidence that she hired him back as a fellow again, as someone suggested, only at the same salary.

I'm glad someone earlier mentioned House coming up with the solution before Amber; I was specifically looking for that this time, and I think the earlier poster was right. House is the one who mentioned the mushrooms that sparked the idea for Amber, he didn't seem particularly surprised or chagrinned that she had come up with the answer before he did, and I would like to believe that House wouldn't have ignored the case to harass Cole if he didn't know he had the answer already. But -- there also wasn't any epiphany moment, or any conclusive evidence that he had the answer first. Me! Me! That was me! My posts aren't invisible! :lol: That's exactly what it seemed like to me too. Not 100% clear-cut but just enough to make you wonder. Really glad someone else saw it too. :wink: