I didn't see it that way. At least in this episode. House knew the correct diagnosis going in. The correct treatment for that diagnosis was the first thing done to the patient, and according to the comments from the patient, House knew about tests and treatments before they were implemented.
So the patient got treated relatively early on. Not much later than if House had ordered it himself directly. It's just that the pill misplacement screwed everything up from then on, IMO.
One thing I found frustrating about this episode was the relatively kid gloves treatment that "13" got from House. Not only do I know less than nothing about her, distancing me from any sort of care about what happens to her character, but I then have to compare that to House's reaction to, say, Chase when he angio'd the wrong leg. House went ballastic over that stupid error that sent the team down the wrong diagnostic path. And that was a point that House knew Chase, knew he was capable of being an excellent doctor, knew that he was a steady contributor to tricky diagnosis's that regularly saved lives. The House-13 resolution seems so pat and so understanding that I can barely grasp what House must be thinking here. It's almost as though he has to keep 13 around just so she can maybe redeem herself down the line and redeem him at the same time for hiring her.
And, as a side note, did anyone else feel like House and the newbies were in a medical drama while Foreman and his team were in some sort of soap opera? Everything about the scenes taking place at Mercy Hospital were just....odd....
March301- 10-10-2007
Actually, I'm starting to think 24 is going to be around for the long haul.
HOUSE: You're fired!
24: *Finds weird loophole* No I'm not! Muhahaha!!!
HOUSE: Like I said, you're fired.
24: Nope! I'm just going to keep coming back... and coming back... and...
I mean, how many times was she fired and she just refused to go? LOL.
Angelfirenze- 10-10-2007
And, as a side note, did anyone else feel like House and the newbies were in a medical drama while Foreman and his team were in some sort of soap opera? Everything about the scenes taking place at Mercy Hospital were just....odd....
*cackles* Now that you mention it...
Bessie Mae- 10-10-2007
I didn't see it that way. At least in this episode. House knew the correct diagnosis going in. The correct treatment for that diagnosis was the first thing done to the patient, and according to the comments from the patient, House knew about tests and treatments before they were implemented.
So the patient got treated relatively early on. Not much later than if House had ordered it himself directly. It's just that the pill misplacement screwed everything up from then on, IMO.
That reminded me of something I'm confused about. The men's team said that they needed to know what the women were doing so there wouldn't be any conflicts in treatment, like mixing meds or something, right? Only the patient saw through it because he knew about the game (wonder how House got him to be okay with that). But, even with House knowing everything each patient was doing, how would he stop one team from doing something dangerous if he wasn't in the room? Did the teams have to run their actions by him before they got to the patient?
sweet fern- 10-10-2007
It makes me sad when fans angst over what might possibly come in the future that would somehow disqualify their pairing, and have all their own enjoyment in the story and characters ruined by it.
Maybe you are under-estimating our ability. I can't speak for anyone else but I can keep my eye on all ships, potential ships and maybe-hinted-at might going to be ships and rather than ruining the ep, it just makes it more fun. :wink:
bailey- 10-10-2007
That reminded me of something I'm confused about. The men's team said that they needed to know what the women were doing so there wouldn't be any conflicts in treatment, like mixing meds or something, right? Only the patient saw through it because he knew about the game (wonder how House got him to be okay with that). But, even with House knowing everything each patient was doing, how would he stop one team from doing something dangerous if he wasn't in the room? Did the teams have to run their actions by him before they got to the patient?
You would think so, but Cut-throat-bitch was certainly a loose cannon, doing pretty much whatever she wanted to without running it by anyone.
Ranee- 10-10-2007
Bessie Mae, I think we did see various scenes where the newbies reported back to House on test results, & he did seem to be very aware of what was going on, but I can't recall whether House was informed of every single step. I'm going to have to rewatch to check at that level of detail. Does anyone know whether the drug treatment had other side effects - other than its absence apparently allowing the infection to cause the kidney failure that Amber's blood sample & tests caught which sent them on the wild goose chase because they believed that the drugs had been given & that therefore the kidney failure had another cause.
while Foreman and his team were in some sort of soap opera?
Alas, too true! Particularly the fake team - they felt like some weird hallucination.
Incidently, what is it with death & infection on this show? It seems to have replaced sex & death in terms of hammer over the head linkage!
sweet fern- 10-10-2007
Another thing about Cut Throat Bitch: someone has already referred to her as the "female House"--I see some reason why they say that but you can find similarities to House in a lot of the characters--Cameron, Chase and Foreman certainly. The thing I am remembering is that Stacy was referred to by that phrase too. And she's another character who didn't work for me. When she tries do something just like House would do, for me, it just doesn't come off and she just seems like a cold bitch and I hate her for it though I don't hate House for doing the "same thing". In fact, whenever they have a character who is supposed to be some version of House, it never works (for me) because they just don't have the special whatever-it-is that makes House loveable in spite of it all. Which makes sense to me because House is supposed to be unique, isn't he? I wish they would stop with the House-clones because they Just. Don't. Work. For me.
arizonamyrie- 10-10-2007
Another thing about Cut Throat Bitch: someone has already referred to her as the "female House"--I see some reason why they say that but you can find similarities to House in a lot of the characters--Cameron, Chase and Foreman certainly
Good point, and really, at this point in the character development, all we can see is this in her character, because we haven't been shown anything else yet to define her with. But, she's not House, even if so far the masses are comparing him to her. Which, as the show is called "House" and not whatever number she is, it makes sense that us huddled masses would do that.
In fact, whenever they have a character who is supposed to be some version of House, it never works (for me) because they just don't have the special whatever-it-is that makes House loveable in spite of it all.
Except for some reason, Meredith Eaton worked really well (Maddy in Merry Little Christmas - in my humble opinion she was the best part of the episode).
ETA - with the "Female House" character, and other supporting characters, I've always felt that this show's weakness is writing them with a solid storyline. They've defined House so well, and even Wilson to some extent, but everyone else has just been pushed to the side for the sake of other parts of the writing.
sweet fern- 10-10-2007
Agreed. She was a good match for him. Probably wouldn't have lasted if she came on the show for half a season though. :wink:
amysusanne- 10-10-2007
I for the most part liked the ep too. There are things that bother me (the idea that a service dog like Hoover would randomly eat pills from the floor bothers me, I was under the impression that they were trained not to), but on the whole it worked for me, particularly after reading comments.
I think that's another reason to consider that he fed the pills to the dog. I'm not 100% sold on that being what happened, but it's another little piece of the puzzle of possibility.
One thing I found frustrating about this episode was the relatively kid gloves treatment that "13" got from House. Not only do I know less than nothing about her, distancing me from any sort of care about what happens to her character, but I then have to compare that to House's reaction to, say, Chase when he angio'd the wrong leg. House went ballastic over that stupid error that sent the team down the wrong diagnostic path.
House went ballistic over it because he was frustrated over the case in general and the signature on the report wasn't Chase's. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason that House lost it. Chase was flirting and some radiologist that House has no reason to trust (one of the first season indicators that House doesn't like other people touching his stuff, so to speak) was signing the report. In the case of 13, he wasn't frustrated or baffled (if anything, he was far more distracted than Chase ever was) and 13 didn't fuck up because she was distracted by a pretty girl and tales of rich boy ski trips. She was in a situation that House had forced her and the rest of the doctors into.
bailey- 10-10-2007
House went ballistic over it because he was frustrated over the case in general and the signature on the report wasn't Chase's. I'm pretty sure that's the main reason that House lost it. Chase was flirting and some radiologist that House has no reason to trust (one of the first season indicators that House doesn't like other people touching his stuff, so to speak) was signing the report. In the case of 13, he wasn't frustrated or baffled (if anything, he was far more distracted than Chase ever was) and 13 didn't fuck up because she was distracted by a pretty girl and tales of rich boy ski trips. She was in a situation that House had forced her and the rest of the doctors into.
Well, true, although I was kind of under the assumption that "Control" was an attempt to actually show that there are techs on staff that are supposed to be doing some of those testing procedures that CCF do only because they need the screen time. Chase definitely failed to supervise (and/or instruct) correctly, and was certainly flirting, but his negligence wasn't so completely unlike 13's. Both of them needed to concentrate and follow through. It's a hard barometer to use (whether or not House like's other people touching his stuff) because there are other occasions when he's just fine with letting the lab tech people do their thing. (The women with eyes that Selma Hayek would die for, for example.) Sometimes he goes with the lab reports, sometimes the minions run them....
But where I get further annoyed/confused/whatever in House cutting 13 so much slack is that I fail to see where she was miles ahead of her female colleagues, all of whom got fired, I presume, based on House's words to her in the morgue. Since they were working as a team, I'm not sure its accurate to say that 13 came up with the initial (correct) diagnosis all on her own. One of the twins (fat or skinny, I can't tell) was the one that suggested a way to confirm that diagnosis with the tilt test, even though they hadn't realized yet that they hadn't really treated him for it. The vet-turned-doctor at the end is the one who made the connection between viruses that can pass interspecies and why you wouldn't want to give a particular drug to a particular breed of dog. In short, I didn't see her do anything amazing, yet not only did she not get fired, she got assured by House that she'd never make that mistake again. Another radical departure from his treatment of Chase who House resolutely refused to calm at all, preferring to keep him scared. (Scared for years, actually.)
galaxygirl- 10-10-2007
Is House wandering down the Yellow Brick Road this year or were they just going for the cute two-episode continuity joke?
It's part of the writers' plan to slowly get the audience to realize that House and Wilson are both Friends of Dorothy.
As is Wilson's quoting My Fair Lady.
I love you so much for that, I was thinking the same thing 8)
idonmatrix- 10-10-2007
13 got the diagnosis right, but she didn't follow through. By the end of the episode, House knows she won't make that mistake again. He needs people who can get the diagnosis as quickly as she did, so she's not fired. Regarding her "mystery," I have a theory. I'll spoiler tag it just in case: She's related to someone we already know well.
Well, she's not Australian so she's not related to Chase. She's not Jewish so she couldn't be related to Cuddy or Wilson. She's obviously not AA so that leaves Foreman out. It doesn't make sense that she's related to House. So that just leaves one person, the character I hate the most on the show. I don't think that's it because that's something House would have been all over in the most obnoxious way possible.
I still think her big secret is something professional and not personal. That's the only way it would relate to everyone in Houseverse.
Given the way Cuddy has been acting, I think the TPTB are building to something. I'm still trying to figure out why Cuddy's last words to House were "you're responsible" instead of you're being placed on administrative leave or you're fired, or suspended or whatever. Does Cuddy plan to hold House responsible?
March301- 10-10-2007
Another thing about Cut Throat Bitch: someone has already referred to her as the "female House"--I see some reason why they say that but you can find similarities to House in a lot of the characters--Cameron, Chase and Foreman certainly.
I got images of House in my mind when CTB started to ask the "Why me" question. Now, I think everyone would be curious as to the same thing (Lord knows, I would be) but she wasn't satisfied with the surface answer House gave. She kept asking questions and... did House ever give the real answer? I don't think he did, did he?
I'm still trying to figure out why Cuddy's last words to House were "you're responsible" instead of you're being placed on administrative leave or you're fired, or suspended or whatever. Does Cuddy plan to hold House responsible?
I was left wondering about this scene, too. I also think it was put in as a parallel to Dr. Andy Ziegler saying we just can't take that chance. I know in the past we've seen that House is an amazing doctor and Cuddy keeps him around because he saves more lives than he loses, but it would be interesting if there's something else going on and if we're going to see this developing as a theme.
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