Like I said, I give up.

Jair wrote: I think Chase is being judgemental about but not with the little girl. We've never seen Chase treat a patient unprofessionally. Actually, I think all of them were being judgmental about her and none of them believed her mother when she said Jessica used to exercise and followed a diet. Chase was the one who voiced aloud a prejudice about fat people and health issues, but all of them were thinking the same thing. And it was Chase, at the end, that pointed out that her obesity was a symptom, not the cause of her problems, so he was being professional despite his prejudice. OTOH, Chase's disappearance in QSS was much more disturbing (IMO). Because George was morbid obese, he didn't deserve any DDX? WTF? And mmp don't give up! You brought an interesting topic for discussion!

I'm probably too sensitive, but I feel like anything I say always leads back to bashing Cameron's character: We've never seen Chase intentionally physically hurt a patient or say something hurtful to a patient. Cameron, on the other hand...

I don't get it - or maybe I do. Because I'm Cameron fan, apparently I'm not allowed to have issues with Chase's behavior in this episode without being scolded about what Cameron does in other episodes. I give up. You were the one who introduced Control into the conversation as a criticism of how Chase handles medical care vs the way Cameron and Foreman do. I can't fault Foreman for allowing his libido to affect his medical care (his judgementalism about people on the streets, yes), but Cameron fits the bill.

Not the best place to discuss QSS, but I started it... EC wrote: Chase's suggestion of "doing nothing" was just as valid as anyone else's. It's not his suggestion of "doing nothing" - at the end there was nothing they could do after all - that I found strange. It was his disappearance, his indifference in the patient's care. With Jessica, despite his pre-conceived ideas, he never refused to participate. But with George he just didn't care, House sent him away and we never got a chance to see him again after was established the real cause of George's problem. I remain without knowing if that was a character issue or just a writing issue...

It was his disappearance, his indifference in the patient's care. I think his disappearance was very odd, but the episode I don't think presented Chase as indifferent to the patient's care, though he had strong feelings about the patient. House benched him and he disappeared from the ep. Whatever was supposed to have happened there, we never saw him refuse to care for the patient.

Backing up a little to discuss Chase's attitude/behavior in "Heavy" some more. I've been reading along (and mostly lurking lately thanks to uni) and wasn't sure what I had to say since this is one of the episodes I avoid. And Chase is creepy (about the kid) and backstabbing his co-workers. This is the exact reason that I haven't rewatched this episode since 2006. Chase's attitude towards the patient just irks me beyond reason. This is a kid. And he's discriminating against her because she's obese as if she doesn't realize this fact. I'm sure the kid knows she's overweight - knows she can't wear the same clothes as the other girls, knows she can't run as fast/far as everyone else in gym. She knows she's different, and here Chase is just forcing the issue. She probably is already looking at fashion magazines and seeing the size 0 supermodels on the cover and knowing that her body won't do that. It's stuff like this that helps to contribute to the growing number of eating disorders in this country - both over and under eating. While a caregiver/practitioner can have feelings and opinions about how a person takes care of themself or their dependents, it is not up to them to the practitioner to necessarily make them feel horrible about it. The kid is overweight. Find out why, work from there. If it's a behavioral thing, refer to a dietitian, psychologist, combination of the team, or counsel the patient as needed.

AZ--Chase didn't say a word to Jessica that would make her feel bad. He expressed his views about obesity and the lack of nutrition and exercise that American kids were getting to his coworkers. He didn't refuse to treat her and he never treated her badly. If he had truly discriminated against her, he would have treated her differently than other patients, but he did not. If he had said something to her, I'd be the first to want to kick him. LOL But, as it was, he's the one who finally got the clue that obesity was a symptom and I appreciated that. I have low thyroid function and it took forever for me to find a doctor who realized my difficuly losing weight was a SYMPTOM, along with the other 55 symptoms I had. :roll:

I remember an interview with Jesse Spencer (I don't remember where) in which he said that part of the reason Chase was the one to cooperate with Vogler was that they were worried that they were making him too goody-goody. This was the seminary student who, after a crisis of faith, went to medical school and became a good enough doctor that he landed one of the top fellowships there is (if we want to argue whether or not it was because his father made a phone call, I think that should go in the Chase thread.) He never loses his temper even when House is calling him an idiot or Foreman is belittling him. He is always nice to the patients, etc., etc. and so forth. He was in serious danger of becoming a Gary Stu. I think his attitude toward obesity is pretty much more of the same. Every character on this show has issues and Chase is no different. And the 3 original fellows all have some people who they prejudge. With Cameron it is people who do not live up to her moral standards. With Foreman it is anyone who did not manage to become a big Pooh-bah like he did and, instead, is homeless or has a drug problem. With Chase it is obesity. I don't like that he is prejudiced against obese people (especially as I am one myself), but I do appreciate that he is the only one of them who does not punish -- or try to punish -- the patient for falling into a group that he disapproves of. And I like the fact that, while the Diagnostics team was well aware of his attitude, neither Jessica nor her mother had the slightest idea. He was always polite and professional with them. I thought Heavy was a very week episode overall. The main story was not very engaging -- I didn't even care that they were about to give her a double mastectomy. And, with the clinic patient, House got the genetics wrong (2 brown-eyed parents can have children with blue or green eyes. 2 blue-eyed parents can't have brown-eyed kids.) One of the few things I actually liked about the episode was that we got to see a little more behind Chase's public mask.

Poeia--I was going to respond about that interview, but got off on a deeper tanget, so I went to the Chase thread.

Can someone help me with something I find confusing re: the whole House-Cameron storyline? It is relevant to this episode, so please bear with me. Back in Control (two episodes before Heavy), we had this awkward exchange: *********** Cameron: People… dismiss me. Because I’m a woman, because I’m pretty, because I’m not aggressive. My opinions shouldn’t be rejected just because people don’t like me. House: They like you. Everyone likes you. Cameron: Do you? I have to know. House: No. *********** So in my reading of this scene, I always just see Cameron as being insecure about being "liked" by people in general—the usual insecurity that young people feel. I didn't think she was asking if House "liked her liked her." Either way, she did not seem to express any feelings that she had for him in that moment. Unless I'm dense. So cut to Heavy, where we get this exchange: *********** Cameron: You’re doing this because you can’t deal with your feelings for me. House: I believe that you are the only one to express feelings. And if we’re going to look at this from a first-year psych point-of-view, maybe you want me to fire you. Maybe that’s why you’re acting weird. You – Cameron: You’re the one being different! You’re always pushing things, pushing the rules, pushing us, but not this time. You just jumped on this idea like a life raft. Not one question about what else it could be, no riding us for other answers. *********** How exactly was House "pushing" Cameron and "being different"? More importantly, when did Cameron actually express her feelings to House? And somewhere along the way, I remember that Cameron told Chase that she and House had talked of their feelings, but I can't find it now! Is she referring to the "Do you " thing? Is that what House is referring to when he says "I believe that you are the only one to express feelings"? Because again, I didn't see that she expressed anything besides a very youngish kind of insecurity. But again, I'm often dense. Have I missed a scene? I have watched every episode a thousand times, and I feel like I missed a scene.